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Journalist Richard Medhurst arrested under Britain’s Terrorism Act (www.wsws.org)
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[–] Streamwave@feddit.uk 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't have a problem with any element of that law.

I'm profoundly comfortable with people being arrested and imprisoned for substantial sentences for expressing support for Hamas and similar Jihadi terror groups.

[–] Mrkawfee@feddit.uk 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

Only a handful of countries consider Hamas a terror group. Funnily enough these are the same countries that are complicit in Israel's genocide in Gaza.

This is a "leopards ate my face" law. It's fine until you get caught up in it however unlikely that appears now.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

You say only a handful of countries and then you list a shit ton of countries. Made to look smaller by lumping all of the EU into one country.

How many members are in the EU again?

[–] Mrkawfee@feddit.uk 2 points 3 weeks ago

There are 195 countries in the world.

[–] Streamwave@feddit.uk 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Only a handful of countries consider Hamas a terror group. Funnily enough these are the same countries that are complicit in Israel’s genocide in Gaza.

Those are also more or less the only countries I'd trust to be able to correctly identify a terrorist group.

This is a “leopards ate my face” law. It’s fine until you get caught up in it however unlikely that appears now.

I simply don't support terrorist organisations. It isn't difficult.

[–] Mrkawfee@feddit.uk 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Hamas being designated a terrorist group arose because of US and Israeli pressure to de-legitimise any entity that represents Palestinians in the same way that the PLO was regarded as a terror group pre Oslo.

It is political repression and nothing more.

Many of these same countries branded Nelson Mandela and the ANC as a terror group.

[–] Streamwave@feddit.uk 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

The PLO was a terror group.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma'alot_massacre

Two examples off the top of my head of a terrorist group engaging in terrorist violence.

[–] Mrkawfee@feddit.uk 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yes that's my point. They were a terror group and then weren't when the US decided. In the same way that Sudan was a state sponsor of terror until the US decided otherwise.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-55300252

In both cases recognising the occupation of Palestine made them not terrorists.

Also if committing massacres made the PLO a terror group then surely Israel and it's military wing should be a state sponsor of terror many times over since October 7th but instead it receives billions in funding and weapons from the US and UK

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flour_massacre

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuseirat_refugee_camp_massacre

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/04/1148876

As I said it is a form of political repression.

[–] Streamwave@feddit.uk 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Also if committing massacres made the PLO a terror group

No, it's when you commit terrorist acts that you become a terrorist group. Like the PLO did, repeatedly, over many many years, and bragged about.

Terrorists are by definition non-state actors.

And yes I've seen the Pallywood stuff coming out of Gaza just like everyone else has. It's the same bullshit they pull every time they cross a line and find their shit getting pushed in by Israel like in Lebanon in 1982.

receives billions in funding and weapons from the US and UK

In 2023 total UK arms exports to Israel totalled £18.2 million. We do not provide them with foreign financial assistance.

So you were only off by a little bit.

In 2023 Israel received approx. £3.3 bn in foreign assistance from the USA, the large majority loaned to purchase US supplies of both defensive and offensive munitions. That same year, Egypt also received about £1.5 bn in foreign assistance from the USA, Jordan £1.7 bn, etc.

As I said it is a form of political repression.

Yes, that's why it's good

[–] Mrkawfee@feddit.uk 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

And yes I've seen the Pallywood stuff coming out of Gaza just like everyone else has.>

You're a genocide denier. I'm done with you

[–] Streamwave@feddit.uk 0 points 4 weeks ago

Yes, in the same sense that I deny the existence of unicorns. I'm also a unicorn-denier.