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I didn't think it's wrong universally, for example, Ukraines current offensive into Russia.
Ukraine is using special forces for this, who are well paid professionals with strong ideological under pinnings. Those guys are into that shit.
OP is about Russian consript who got deployed in Ukraine "by mistake"
But I'd be okay with Ukraine deploying conscripts to that front.
No argument for the draft is valid.
Would you rather see Ukraine fall to Russia than implement a draft?
Loaded question but yes
How about WWII? Should the allies have been significantly weaker and prolonged how long the Nazis were in power to avoid a draft?
The possible benefits of something unethical doesn't justify doing it.
I'd hold a lesser of two evils justify it. The government already dictates what you need to do. Is it the commanded act of killing people that you think takes it too far?
Again, no it doesnt.
what? no?
any forced labor takes it too far.
They force jury duty, taxes, traffic laws, and sometimes public service or jail time. Those are all forced labor.
The difference is that the need for a jury of your peers is in the constitution.
Traffic laws are not forced labor. Nor is jail time, that's a punishment.
I'm starting to think you have no idea what you're talking about.
They dictate what you do and don't do. Taxes take a portion of your time as well since you need to work longer. I didn't see how it's categorically different. Just a difference of extent.
Yes and that extent is an issue, especially when it goes over the line of what's allowed in the constitution.
So if a country wrote conscription into their constitution it'd be fine?
No that's one of two ways its bad
So than what makes conscription too far? Would non military mandatory government service be permissible? How long would that duration need to be in order to be unacceptable?
No that would not be acceptable either. There's a massive difference between jury duty and military service. Theres frequency/amount, and the basic fact that jury duty is a domestic thing.
So would a one week domestic only draft be acceptable?
Why ought countries risk their existence to avoid a draft? The government already dictates other matters of life and death. Forgoing a draft would force bigger permanent militaries and not allow for some defense in depth strategies.
Because we're better than that.
A state is just a legal entity. The nation and its residents are infinitely more important.