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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 271 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Immagine if Chrome wasn't just a rinky dink Safari emulator!

Wow, can't wait to not only have my data harvested by Apple but also Google!

FFS, stop cumming for Chrome and start using Firefox!

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 51 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

There's no Firefox engine for iOS and Mozilla says it doesn't make financial sense to port it.

[–] Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Did they say that? Cause it looks like there is at least some work being done on this:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1882872

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 18 points 3 weeks ago

There's been talk about exploring porting the engine to iOS at the beginning of 2023 but AFAIK the current state of things was that it's a significant undertaking and probably not worth it just for the EU market.

[–] vii@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

What exactly is there to port anyway?

[–] sugartits@lemmy.world 28 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The rendering engine.

Currently Firefox on iOS is "just" a skin around the iOS provided renderer.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] sugartits@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

GeckoView more specifically in this case. But yes.

[–] vii@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

But they do have mobile arm builds already don't they? Of course iOS is very different from Android but it's not like they'd have to do complete port. And it targets the same architecture that's in macs and they have builds for it obviously.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

By the time the masses move it will be an enshittified fork of chrome.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Wasn't Firefox starting to implement some bullshit too?

[–] mke@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What do you believe Mozilla was implementing?

[–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] mke@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Thanks. I know you're not OP, but I'll take this opportunity to answer anyway.

privacy preserving attribution

...is not as bad as many people think.

The best argument that I believe still has merit is this:

All websites on the internet—including ad networks!—are guests on our computers, and the content they provide are merely suggestions for a user agent to interpret and show us how it chooses.

If you agree with this—and I kinda do—then yeah, PPA shouldn't exist. You're probably a staunch user of uBlock (or uMatrix) and don't want your browser engaging in any privacy-preserving attribution shenanigans.

But here's the kicker: if you use uBlock, PPA won't do anything. It can't, even when left enabled. For the API to be called, ads need to get to your browser first, and uBlock doesn't allow them to get that far. The only people really affected by PPA are people not using adblocking, i.e. the people being tracked all over the web, who would likely benefit from PPA.

As I said in a previous comment: if PPA works and is widely adopted, I can see the argument for how it'd be better—unfortunately, most people still browse the internet without uBlock. That doesn't mean I'll stop installing it on every device I can; I'm simply accepting that'll never be every device on earth.

And for all that Mozilla is implementing "bullshit," they're also the only ones keeping uBlock 100% functional by maintaining manifest V2. They spend time and resources protecting the very thing that trumps their supposed bullshit. That feels not like enshittification to me, but a group trying its best, even while stuck between a rock and a hard place.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 2 points 3 weeks ago

Always has been.