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Signal Is More Than Encrypted Messaging. Under Meredith Whittaker, It’s Out to Prove Surveillance Capitalism Wrong (www.wired.com)

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[–] unconfirmedsourcesDOTgov@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I'm no authority on it but from what I've read it seems to have more to do with the social features of telegram where lots of content is being shared, both legal and illegal. Signal doesn't have channels that support hundreds of thousands of people at once, nor media hosting to match.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Right, the French authorities are going to present evidence that this dude was aware of specific illegal activity and refuse to comply with a legal warrant involving said actively, making him guilty of obstruction at best, and possibly conspiracy. Signal complies with warrants, they just don't have anyone's keys. Telegram has everyone's keys, and theoretically could turn them over but they refuse. That's a huge difference from a legal perspective.

[–] unconfirmedsourcesDOTgov@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thank you. I'm going to restate your explanation to be sure I've got it:

authorities want platforms to comply with legal requests
when Signal gets a subpoena, they open the key locker and show that it's empty. They provide the metadata they can (sign up date and last seen date, full stop) and tell authorities they can't do better.
when Telegram gets a subpoena, they open the key locker and show all the keys, then slam it shut in the face of the investigator, telling them to get bent.
conclusion: it's easier to never have the keys in the first place than to tease the government with them

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

It's easier, but Telegram's authors are from Russia. They psychologically can't accept that "never have the keys" thing. They want to have control and they want to be able to tell "yes" to the investigator, possibly for something in return.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

And it's sad that it doesn't. Because that's why people use Telegram.

Media hosting - we-ell, I suppose something similar to bittorrent (or just sharing encrypted files over bittorrent) would do to back such a system?

Telegram's channels are like blogs, they have reactions and comment links leading to a groupchat associated with a channel.

It's basically a social network in an instant messenger format.

Telegram is socially , in terms of finding a market niche, the smartest thing of what's happened in the Internet recently. Durov really is a good businessman.