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Under Meredith Whittaker, Signal Is Out to Prove Surveillance Capitalism Wrong (www.wired.com)
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[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Swiss laws aren't as tight as a lot of people think.

I'd like for them to lean more heavily into open source

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

It's probably tight enough for your needs. Unless you live in Switzerland or are breaking Swiss law, they'd need a really good reason to send your data anywhere.

That said, I use Tuta. They have a similar source model (open client, closed server) and are based in Germany, but since they're an underdog, they have a bit more value and lower costs. I pay €3 and get 3 custom domains and 15 aliases, whereas w/ Proton I pay $4 and get just 1 custom domain and 10 aliases; I can also add people to my plan for €3, instead of upgrading to a Duo for $15 or family for $24. If Proton matched Tuta's features, I'd probably pay slightly more for the better UX, but I use those features so I'm very hesitant to give that up. I don't intend to use their VPN or other products, so I'm very much not interested in their higher tiers.

I do wish their server code was open source and self-hostable. I'd love to use my own storage, but still use their spam filtering and whatnot.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Unless you live in Switzerland or are breaking Swiss law

That's the thing though, governments tend to make everything illegal so they can selectively enforce.

[–] Im_old@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

you might want to look at mailcow if you want to self-host your email server

[–] Bakersfield@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's probably tight enough for your needs. Unless you live in Switzerland or are breaking Swiss law, they'd need a really good reason to send your data anywhere.

Unless you're a climate activist in France:

"The email service says it was unable to appeal a Swiss court’s demand to log the IP address of a French climate advocate."

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

My understanding is that they broke Swiss law. Don't do that if you're hosting your evidence in Switzerland...