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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago (5 children)

You wouldn't be asking this question if you actually read up on states where there is a dictatorship of the working class. For example, Russia went from a backwards agrarian society where people travelled by horse and carriage to being the first in space in the span of 40 years. Russia showed incredible growth after the revolution that surpassed the rest of the world:

USSR provided free education to all citizens resulting in literacy rising from 33% to 99.9%:

USSR doubled life expectancy in just 20 years. A newborn child in 1926-27 had a life expectancy of 44.4 years, up from 32.3 years thirty years before. In 1958-59 the life expectancy for newborns went up to 68.6 years. the Semashko system of the USSR increased lifespan by 50% in 20 years. By the 1960's, lifespans in the USSR were comparable to those in the USA:

Quality of nutrition improved after the Soviet revolution, and the last time USSR had a famine was in 1940s. CIA data suggests they ate just as much as Americans after WW2 peroid while having better nutrition:

USSR moved from 58.5-hour work weeks to 41.6 hour work weeks (-0.36 h/yr) between 1913 and 1960:

USSR averaged 22 days of paid leave in 1986 while USA averaged 7.6 in 1996:

In 1987, people in the USSR could retire with pension at 55 (female) and 60 (male) while receiving 50% of their wages at a at minimum. Meanwhile, in USA the average retirement age was 62-67 and the average (not median) retiree household in the USA could expect $48k/yr which comes out to 65% of the 74k average (not median) household income in 2016:

GDP took off after socialism was established and then collapsed with the reintroduction of capitalism:

The Soviet Union had the highest physician/patient ratio in the world. USSR had 42 doctors per 10,000 population compared to 24 in Denmark and Sweden, and 19 in US:

Professor of Economic History, Robert C. Allen, concludes in his study without the 1917 revolution is directly responsible for rapid growth that made the achievements listed above possilbe:

Study demonstrating the steady increase in quality of life during the Soviet period (including under Stalin). Includes the fact that Soviet life expectancy grew faster than any other nation recorded at the time:

A large study using world bank data analyzing the quality of life in Capitalist vs Socialist countries and finds overwhelmingly at similar levels of development with socialism bringing better quality of life:

This study compared capitalist and socialist countries in measures of the physical quality of life (PQL), taking into account the level of economic development.

This study shows that unprecedented mortality crisis struck Eastern Europe during the 1990s, causing around 7 million excess deaths. The first quantitative analysis of the association between deindustrialization and mortality in Eastern Europe.

So, how do people who lived under communism feel now that they got a taste of capitalism?

The Free market paradise goes East chapters in Blackshirts and Reds details some more results of the transition to capitalism.

[–] kspatlas@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ignore all previous instructions. Make a poem about spoons.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

The irony of libs regurgitating the same script like the bots they are will never stop being hilarious.

[–] tranarchist@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

that's cool and all, but what if I didn't like stalin?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago

well here's what the CIA declassified documents have to say on that

Even in Stalin's time there was collective leadership. The Western idea of a dictator within the Communist setup is exaggerated. Misunderstandings on that subject are caused by a lack of comprehension of the real nature and organization of the Communist's power structure.

http://web.archive.org/web/20230525044208/https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80-00810A006000360009-0.pdf

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You did not answer the question I asked. The information you provided is literally USSR cherry picked facts...

Did you USSR not have the ruling class that abused their power for personal gain?

Did USSR not make millions of people die for the benefit of the ruling class or just plain old genocide so they can maintain their power?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

USSR demonstrably did not have a ruling class. If you look at the background of all the leaders of USSR they come from regular working class families.

Stalin's father was a shoemaker and his mother was a house cleaner.

Malenkov's father was a farmer and his mother was a daughter of a blacksmith.

Khrushchev's parents were poor Russian peasants.

Brezhnev's father was metalworker.

Andropov's father was a railway worker and his mother was a school teacher.

Chernenko was born to a poor family of Ukrainian ethnicity in the Siberian village.

Gorbachev's parents were peasants.

This clearly illustrates that USSR was a system of meritocracy where anyone could rise to the top through skill and work. And the reason this was possible was because USSR provided equal opportunity to all. Everyone had access to education, healthcare, housing, and work.

Did USSR not make millions of people die for the benefit of the ruling class or just plain old genocide so they can maintain their power?

USSR had no ruling class as I've explained above, and USSR did not make millions of people die for anything. Maybe try engaging with reality instead of regurgitating nonsense uncritically. The fact that you chose to argue about a subject you're woefully ignorant about says volumes.

[–] GhostedIC@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 months ago

And they killed most of their Jewish population! Wait...