I wonder when liberals will finally start organizing with Leftists outside the confines of Dem v Rep duopoly electoralism. Given that Reform is impossible, that leaves us with Revolution.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 26 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Liberals will march with fascists before thinking about looking left

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 weeks ago

Macron's already on that

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Ranked choice has been gathering some traction.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 weeks ago (58 children)

Even on the minor, basest of chances it gains enough traction to make a tangible difference despite both parties working against it, how could a Socialist party make meaningful change without the other apparatus of the State like the military and legislative branches getting in the way?

Allende taught us what relying on electoralism will get you, even if you win.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not sure the problem is the electoral system so much as it is the people who vote.

I'm not saying that voting is bad, but even if you tore down the system and replaced it overnight with something better, it's not gonna change the way people vote. They still vote in neoliberals and conservatives and fascists.

People on the left will have more options further left, but people on the right will have more options further right.

Fixing the electoral system is still a thing to strive for, and it'll be a positive change; just temper your expectations

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[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 15 points 2 weeks ago

When they stop being liberals