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Smoking ban in pub gardens and outdoor venues being considered due to 'huge burden' on NHS, Starmer says (news.sky.com)

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[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

By taking away the liberty of one person smoking, you are increasing the liberty of all the people around them to breathe in clean air.

Cars at least provide a purpose. We take the risk of having cars because they are very convenient. What is the benefit of smoking? The only benefit is calming the effects caused by not smoking while having a smoking addiction.

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee -2 points 2 months ago

I just dont think ur math adds up. Here's my logic on the matter

Loss of liberty = population * smoker% * average liberty of someone to smoke a ciggy

Gain in liberty = population * (1- smoker%) * relative air quality improvement * average liberty of someone to not be exposed to ciggy smoke

I would simply argue the relative air quality improvement is so small that the gain in liberty will never be greater than the loss. Lets assume that ciggy smoke distributes according to inverse square law and smoking reduces ur lifespan by 50% at a distance of 1m ur life is reduced by 0.039% at 2m its reduced by 0.0099% for comparison by my rough estimation the avergae driver loses about 0.036% of their life by driving and society accepts that risk so all u need to do is stand a little over a metre away from anyone with a ciggy and its safer than driving (i did all the calcs in favour of ciggies being as bad as possible.

This is all just fermi estimation but we should be in the correct order of magnitude.