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[–] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 49 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (34 children)

part of the problem is that old-time kernel developers are used to C and don't know Rust," Torvalds said. "They're not exactly excited about having to learn a new language that is, in some respects, very different. So there's been some pushback on Rust."

Linus hit the nail on the head. If you've been a Kernel dev for a decade or more, and have spent decades learning the ins and outs of C, why would you want to switch to something that is similar, but different in a lot of ways, just because a small subset of devs think it's the best way forward? Let them handle Rust and the majority of devs will keep using C, even though Rust is objectively better.

As one of the other quotes suggested: fork the kernel project and rewrite it entirely in Rust, that way there isn't any push back from the C devs. Replacing C with Rust in the upstream kernel is akin to replacing the engine in a car while it's running or being used every day.

[–] De_Narm@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago (4 children)

The kernel is probably too large to rewrite the whole thing at once. This could lead to a future without any new C kernel devs, leading to stagnation, while the Rust kernel could be many years away from being finished. (Assuming we actually move away from C.)

At that point you might as well just start an entirely new kernel and hope it is good enough to eventually replace the Linux one once all devs are gone. Kinda the X11 and wayland thing.

[–] qprimed@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

the Rust kernel could be many years away from being finished.

the number I saw floating around was 3 years to production useful. regardless, C's end days as the go-to, large systems level language are drawing nigh.

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[–] ijhoo@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago

I think this number is overblown. Production useful doesn't have to mean 1:1.

Running it without all graphics drivers would be fine for server use. Also, not all filesystems need to be ported: basic ones should be enough for start. But not only servers, home routers run Linux kernel...

If every OEM starts contributing their drivers in rust, this could move quickly...

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