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The Internet Archive just lost its appeal over ebook lending (www.theverge.com)

submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by fossilesque@mander.xyz to c/technology@lemmy.world

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[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

The matter is not LLMs reproducing what they have learned, it is that they didn't pay for the books they read, like people are supposed to do legally.

This is not about free use, this is about free access, which at the scale of an individual reading books is marketed as "piracy"...at the scale of reading all books known to man...it's onmipiracy?

We need some kind of deal where commercial LLMs have to pay a rent to a fund that distributes that among creators or remain nonprofit, which is never gonnna happen, because it'll be a bummer for all the grifters rushing into that industry.

[–] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I think we need to re-examine what copyright should be. There's nothing inherently immoral about "piracy" when the original creator gets almost nothing for their work after the initial release.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

it is that they didn’t pay for the books they read, like people are supposed to do legally.

If I can read a book from a library, why shouldn't OpenAI or anybody else?

...but yes from what I've heard they (or whoever, don't remember) actually trained on libgen. OpenAI can be scummy without the general process of feeding AI books you only have read access to being scummy.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Meta is defending because they trained on books3 which contained all of Bibliotik. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pile_(dataset)

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

This is not like reading a book from a library...unless you want to force the LLM to only train one book per day and keep no copies after that day.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They don't keep copies and learning speed? Why one day? Does it count if I skim through a book?