They're the state-equivalent to private security, so they're being hired by the ownership class in a non-market, non-commodified way. They're not offering their labour up on a labour market, their "output" is barely being invested in, they're not having their wages driven down either. The way their jobs work is completely separate from the rest of the economy and the rest of the working class. I'd assume that mapping their wages to the rest of the economy bares little relation.

They are direct extensions of capital rather than being semi-independant bodies in the market.

[–] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

They're the state-equivalent to private security, so they're being hired by the ownership class in a non-market, non-commodified way.

they're human beings with survival needs who, in the absence of common means to provide for them, must debase themselves in some way to extract the necessities of life from some capital owner, somewhere

this doesn't mean their decision to do so isn't fucking evil, but like, it is what it is. Unless they're some rich failson (who would be bourgeois, or, idk, bourgeois-in-waiting?) who wants to be a cop for fun, idk, people have rent and bills and shit to pay.

The way their jobs work is completely separate from the rest of the economy and the rest of the working class

you can say this about a lot of jobs, but that doesn't mean that the people who have those jobs have the ability to produce an income without selling their employment to their employer in exchange for a wage

it's not like they can go out and be a "private" cop not working for the state, then they would just be a robber/murderer

[–] AndJusticeForAll@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

you can say this about a lot of jobs,

I literally can't, that's why they're different.

[–] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

I literally can't, that's why they're different.

I would call the whole like idk work from home office "job" people who can "work" while playing videogames all day some type of weird labor aristocracy or whatever but that doesn't change their fundamental relationship to how their labor is performed, which is ultimately at the behest of and facilitated by employment by the capitalist class

the real big difference is their ultimate, extreme treachery, but like, idk I think of the Jack London poem about scabs:

Ode To A Scab

After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire, He had some awful substance left with which He made a scab. A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a waterlogged brain, and a combination backbone made of jelly and glue. Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles.

When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and angels weep in heaven, and the devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out. No man has a right to scab as long as there is a pool of water deep enough to drown his body in, or a rope long enough to hang his carcass with. Judas Iscariot was a gentleman compared with a scab. For betraying his Master, he had character enough to hang himself. A scab hasn't.

Esau sold his birthright for a mess of pottage. Judas Iscariot sold his savior for thirty pieces of silver. Benedict Arnold sold his country for a promise of a commission in the British Army. The modern strikebreaker sells his birthright, his country, his wife, his children, and his fellow men for an unfulfilled promise from his employer, trust, or corporation

like, that's the same as a cop, but that doesn't mean they don't work for their wage ultimately to survive

[–] AndJusticeForAll@hexbear.net 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Also, I'm talking about labour power and labour markets in regards to cops and their employment, not just "doing stuff for people for money". They're not proletarians, specifically.

[–] AndJusticeForAll@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You'll notice cops aren't getting hired based on labour output. They're not getting squeezed for labour or getting their hours extended or bringing machinery to increase their output (they buy their own machinery through the department to protect themselves or enhance how much pain they can inflict and how much privacy they can spy upon, but it's not actually a capitalist money circuit where their variable capital shrinks as all this constant capital builds up).

[–] blame@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago

This kind of has echoes of the barista debate last year.