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I would accuse you of playing dumb but I don't think you are playing.
You should understand that aside from the big cities, most of the state leans right. You should also be able to grasp that local officials have some influence over local political issues, like the implementation of various ballot measures. But you're so hot to blame them dang ole democrats for ever bad thing, you want to act like you don't know this?
I wont argue against the fact that democrats are largely useless, but how is going back to the war on drugs a better solution?
It failed across the state. The issue was at the state level. Trying to blame Republicans is just weird and factually incorrect. 110 was fairly popular https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Oregon_Ballot_Measure_110
Josephine was 46 to 53. So while they voted against it, it wasn't a landslide.
This was a major democrat failure to actually implement a good idea. I supported 110. Most people I know supported 110.
Everyone I know is disappointed that the Democrats FUBAR it. This could have been a demonstration to the rest of the country of how to deal with drugs. Instead, people now think we can't decriminalize and treat addicts.
What the Democrats should have done is spent a few years building up the resources to support 110. When the resources were in place, they switched to decriminalizing it.
OK, I can't argue with that. In my defense I didn't expect you to come at me with facts and logic, but when you're right, you're right.
I’ll also add unasked but related, our prison system needs to be reformed. Norway would be a model worth looking at as a solution for low level offenders.
I was hoping this would be the model for rest of the country to follow but they fucked it up bad.
We know it can work. Portugal has done well with their system which 110 was supposed to mimic.
My concern is the taint of 110 will stop it from being tried again or used as a reason why other states shouldn’t try.
People also thought it legalized drug dealers. It don’t. The war on drugs will still enforced. It just wasn’t focused on the user. It was focused on the dealers.
What is happening here? Could it be there is a tiny progressive streak in that cold conservative heart of yours? Soon you'll be admitting black lives really do matter! Glory hallelujah!
Nothing progressive about it at all.
Prison should be about removing the threat from society. Penitentiary comes from the words penance. Which means to acknowledge your wrong and absolve it. Paraphrasing there. People should be given the opportunity to improve while in prison to avoid what sent them there.
Just sending them to prison creates a cycle that is hard to break. It’s in the best interest of society to break that cycle.
I’m not a religious conservative. So I conflict with the religious side with my views