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The way you address that is by working with groups like the Environmental Voter Project to turn non-voting environmentalists into voters or the DSA to get people who will do the right thing past the primary in left-leaning districts.
Mobilization isn't some instant thing that's going to happen on its own just because existing elected officials change thier tune
And it's ESPECIALLY not some thing that's working at all when existing officials both elected and unelected are working non stop as well as spending tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars each election cycle to retain the status quo by, amongst other things, rigging primaries against left-leaning candidates in all districts.
You keep saying to unrig the system by moving pieces belonging to the party leadership that rigs it on the board owned by the party leadership that rigs it, stubbornly refusing to admit the blindingly obvious fact that the status quo will continue until the corrupt people at the top have been removed from their positions.
This isn't a project where a single example of a courageous politician suddenly solves everything. It's one where winning is a multi-decade project, so to get there we need to change the incentives so that even middling cowardly politicians will do the right thing.
Both the Environmental Voter Procject and the DSA are doing that though conflict expansion (to bring in people who weren't previously involved) and shifting the Overton Window (to make the unthinkable possible)
Correct. It's one where hundreds of cowardly politicians (and unaccountable unelected officials) too focused on their own wealth and power (and on not upsetting the status quo that's so lucrative to them) to ever help regular people.
It's also one where tens of millions of gaslighted and gaslighting regular people make up all kinds of excuses for the hundreds of cowards no matter what they do or don't do, forever.
It's also late in my time zone and I've frankly had enough of today, so I'm gonna head to bed. Sweet dreams about a better and more honest world when you get that far.
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The silver lining of ecological degradation is that no amount of political posturing or businesses (ignorance) greenwashing will prevent the climate from deteriorating.
The planet's biosphere is the ultimate "authority", the ultimate power. As such, it's the ultimate "judgement" regarding how human cultures can, & can not, survive.
The planet is, what it objectively is. Ecological limiting factors are the ultimate long-term regulators.
Nature finds a way
Complaining about the problem doesn't do anything. What does something is changing the incentives that politicians face; that means giving them both a carrot (the opportunity to earn votes) and a stick (in the form of credible negative consequences) for corruption, which has completely broken down in that it's well-neigh impossible to prosecute any Republican unless they do something so extreme as to attempt a coup.
I've been working on the carrot because it's a key part of the process, and will continue to do so.
Lying about the elections isn't okay when Trump does it, and it isn't okay when you do it, either.
Equating the documented and admitted truth of the Dem leadership rigging primaries to Trump's preposterous lies about them rigging the 2020 general shows either profound ignorance or colossal dishonesty. Be better.
…doesn't exist and you know it. Be better.
So this is just a figment of my imagination? This court decision was purely hypothetical? The former head of the party is just a disgruntled employee making shit up? ANOTHER former leader of the party stepped down just for funsies? This is just the fevered ramblings of a lunatic or a Trump supporter (but I repeat myself)? They weren't the main reason that Cuellar, the last anti-choice democrat in Congress managed to "beat" Cisneros whose policy positions were many times more popular across the board?
You really need to get your head out of the fucking sand and/or stop knowingly lying.
That is an opinion piece.
Kushner-controlled paper. Not credible.
Paywalled.
And no, I'm not interested in you copy-and-pasting the text for me, because I don't trust you not to alter the text.
Not an admission of guilt. Sometimes people resign just to defuse controversy, even though they are not actually to blame.
That isn't relevant. It complains about how down-ticket candidates are selected, but Bernie Sanders was on the ticket.
If that were true, Cisneros would have won the election. She came close, but she didn't get the votes. And no, it's not cheating for politicians to endorse each other.
The feeling's mutual. If you want to successfully deceive me, you're going to have to try a lot harder than that.
Ok, I give up. You go ahead and keep believing the comfortable lies of the establishment including that voters can't be influenced to go against their own best interests AND policy positions.
I'll be over here in the real world if you ever decide to wake the fuck up and join us.
Join you in doing what, exactly?
Telling the truth rather than what billionaire owner donors and their pet politicians PRETEND is the truth, for starters.
Plenty of people already do that, to no avail.
Preaching to the exhausted choir on that one..