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[–] oberstoffensichtlich@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago (8 children)

You can make a purely rational environmental argument with reducing CO2 emissions.

A pure appeal to emotion is showing slaughterhouse footage or other animal suffering.

A utilitarian philosophical argument about reducing suffering is also logical, not emotional.

A emotional spiritual appeal can be made with karmic debt accumulated or similar.

[–] leisesprecher@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Of course that's emotional.

Reducing suffering is based on the idea that I don't like suffering, therefore I don't want others to suffer. That's emotional.

[–] oberstoffensichtlich@feddit.org 0 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

There are whole schools of philosophy around suffering, its necessity, and its reduction. Utilitarianism is one of that. Philosophy is based on logic, not straight emotions.

If you say, “I don’t like suffering” to someone with a “no pain, no gain” shirt, your argument is weaker.

[–] leisesprecher@feddit.org 2 points 12 hours ago

Philosophy is based on logic, not straight emotions

Yeah, sorry, but that's straight untrue.

As I wrote before, every time you're doing a value judgement, you're arguing based on emotions.

Saying shredding two animals causes more suffering than shredding no animals is a rational, provable statement. But whether suffering is bad or not, is a value judgement and thus not rational.

If you say, “I don’t like suffering” to someone with a “no pain, no gain” shirt, your argument is weaker.

And both of these statements are value judgement, you're doing a category error here.

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