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Convincing people to use apps such as Signal is hard work and most can't be convinced. But with those you manage to convince, do you feel happy to talk to them on Signal?

The problem is these people use Signal on Android/IOS which can't be trusted and IOS has recently been in the news for having a backdoor. And it has also been revealed that american feds are able to read everyone's push notifications and they do this as mass surveillance.

So not only do you have to convince people to use Signal which is an incredibly difficult challenge. You also have to convince them to go into settings to disable message and sender being included in the push notifications. And then there's the big question is the Android and IOS operating systems are doing mass surveillance anyway. And many people find it taking a lot of effort to type on the phone so they install Signal on the computer which is a mac or Windows OS.

So I don't think I feel comfortable sending messages in Signal but it's better than Whatsapp.

These were some thoughts to get the discussion started and set the context.

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[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (3 children)

They funded encryption too. Why don't you stop using that?

[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Wait until they find out who started the internet. Or who runs GPS satellites

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

History shows that you shouldn’t automatically trust encryption technologies from the US government.

[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Just throw your whole computer out the window.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There is plenty of space between absolute trust and its contrapositive.

[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Why don't you fork Signal? Then, you'll know the glowies aren't funding you.

Which lines its libre software source code are malicious? Know what libre software is?

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Okay, be a dumbass. Why don’t you fork yourself?

[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Will people read these and leave WhatsApp or will they stop caring about privacy?

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Totally pointless since the chokepoint is Signal's US-domiciled back-end server, and Signal doesn't allow you to self-host it.

[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That says nothing about what they actually run on their server, or who they allow to look at their database. Most importantly, you can't self-host signal anyway, so posting the source code for something you can't verify that they even run, is pointless. They went a whole year one time without updating that repo, until the open source community made an uproar about it, and signal was forced to start updating it again.

[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

can't self-host signal

False, read its software license, linked above.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You can't self-host it. People asked for this feature, and were harshly turned down by the signal devs. If you don't believe me, then try it yourself.

[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's an end-to-end encrypted libre app.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Reason: Disinformation

I don’t think you’re aware of who wrote Lemmy any more than you were aware of who admins lemmy.ml.

[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Worse, both of you should know better! See its software license cited above.

Spreading funding FUD tells us nothing about whether its license or source code is malicous, just makes people apathetic to privacy.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

Reason: Trolling

Good luck with that 😂