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[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 0 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

So, your plan for fixing everything is for the left to stop voting so that the right can win and make voting illegal.

Because that's how it works.

This election in particular has democracy itself on the ballot.

It may be a flawed democracy, but the only other option is a fascist dictatorship.

There are no other options because of First Past the Post voting. Literally. The math does not lie.

[–] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 5 points 13 hours ago

If we just pay our taxes to King George he'll eventually listen to us!

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 4 points 13 hours ago

The math does not lie.

Show your work. Which equations prove this?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

So, your plan for fixing everything is for the left to stop voting so that the right can win and make voting illegal.

No, my plan for fixing everything is to stop thinking voting fixes anything. Organize outside the electoral system and build dual power.

This election in particular has democracy itself on the ballot.

Ah, the endless lie. The US will always remain a bourgeois democracy, ie a democracy largely in name only.

It may be a flawed democracy, but the only other option is a fascist dictatorship.

Fascism is Capitalism in decay, can't get rid of fascism by voting it out. You will repeat this lie until the US pushes us into World War 3 or we die of Climate Change, unless Leftists succeed in saving the world.

There are no other options because of First Past the Post voting. Literally. The math does not lie.

Math doesn't lie, but you do.

[+] chaogomu@lemmy.world -3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 13 hours ago

Organize outside the system how? Armed resistance? Good luck with that. I for one, won't visit your grave.

Building up Dual Power for now. Armed resistance will be necessary, but likely not at a large scale.

Trying to build a third party within the system? Fuck off back you your right-wing shithole. No one is going to fall for your also-ran spoiler candidate. Durverger's Law and Arrow's Theorem say that you cannot build a viable third party under First Past the Post voting. It's literally impossible.

What on Earth is this rant about? I'm right wing for not voting for a far-right Empire?

As to the "endless lie" You are willfully blind if you believe that this election year is anything like the years past. Trump and Vance are openly embracing fascism.

Fascism is Capitalism in decline. It's not going away until Capitalism goes away, liberalism still leads to fascism.

But hey, "Both sides" right? I mean, Biden has promised to fire most of the federal government to replace them with loyalists, and then use that federal government to attack anyone to the left of Nancy Pelosi, but no... that's actually Trump again.

And you'll accept that and side with Trump against leftists, evidently.

Trump, who is running for the first American dictatorship, and has promised to "fix" voting so you never have to do it again.

And evidently you'll let him.

But go ahead and tell yourself that both sides are the same.

They serve similar interests, we do not have a democracy.