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Tesla knew Autopilot caused death, but didn't fix it::Software's alleged inability to handle cross traffic central to court battle after two road deaths

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[–] Oderus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

When a human is found to be at fault, you can punish them.

With automated driving, who's to punish? The company? Great. They pay a small fine and keep making millions while your loved one is gone and you get no justice.

[–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People generally aren't punished for an accident unless they did it intentionally or negligently. The better and more prevalent these systems get, the fewer the families with lost loved ones. Are you really arguing that this is a bad thing because it isn't absolutely perfect and you can't take vengeance on it?

[–] Oderus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Generally, people are punished for causing an accident, purposefully or not. Their insurance will either raise their rates or drop them causing them to not be able to drive. That is a form of punishment you don't get with automated driving.

[–] int3ro@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Of course you get the same with automated driving. Accidents will cause either the insurance rate of the whole company to raise, or the company will have to pay out of pocket. In both cases accidents have direct financial "punishment" and if a car company is seen to be "unsafe" (see cruise right now) they are not allowed to drive (or drive "less"). I don't see a big difference to normal people. After a while this is is my opinion even better, because "safer" companies will push out "less safe" companies.. Assuming of course that the gov properly regulates that stuff so that a minimum of safety is required.

[–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 0 points 1 year ago

Increased rates aren't a punishment they're a risk calculation and insurance (outside of maybe property insurance in case a tree falls on the car for example) may not even be needed someday if everything is handled automatically without driver input. Why are you so stuck on the punishment aspect when these systems are already preventing needless death?

[–] Meissnerscorpsucle@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

punish and justice are synonymous... edit WOW bad typo should have read punish and justice are NOT synonymous.