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Is it fairly cheap to host your own personal, single-user Lemmy instance? (lemmy.world)

submitted 4 weeks ago by Moc@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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Let's say I decided that instead of blogging, I wanted to host my own Lemmy instance that contained a maximum of one (1) user– me, but allowing other users to subscribe.

To show what I'm talking about, look at how kaidomac uses Reddit as his own personal microblog, which people subscribe to.

What is the cheapest way to do this?

My mental model of Lemmy is that if I were to do this, the instance would still be caching information from other instances. This would– at least in my mine– add up in costs.

I'm a software engineer, so feel free to use technical jargon.

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[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 57 points 4 weeks ago (4 children)

Selfhosting is basically free. You already have an unmetered Internet connection, and sourcing some hardware to run Lemmy would also be super easy.

The “problem” is that setting Lemmy up is quite annoying and complex and involves multiple docker containers and volumes and networks. There are various installation scripts but it is still a complete mess.

It would also result in a metric shit-ton of traffic and data storage.

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 31 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm not sure how much you're willing to write off as "basically free", but electricity does add up for running your own server.

[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 16 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=200w%2A1%20year%20%2A%240.14%2FkWh

$245/year assuming constant 200W load which is pretty reasonable for a small web server.

The trick is to have the server do other things like print, Plex, Piwigo, Samba, Shinobi, Frigate, Matrix, etc

[–] Fuck_u_spez_@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

My Plex/*arr Intel NUC server uses like 50-75W under heavy load and maybe 5W at idle, and I can't imagine it's not powerful enough to run a small Lemmy instance, so even this figure seems a little high to me.

[–] myersguy@lemmy.simpl.website 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Same, but even lower (Beelink N95). My whole stack of two NAS units, mini PC, switch, router, and modem average a load of 50 watts.

[–] Estebiu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Uhh... maybe putting a 9700k in my server wasnt as good of an idea as i thought it to be... it eats 74watts in idle... uhhh...

[–] myersguy@lemmy.simpl.website 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeahhhh...

Obviously it can all depend on your requirements, but this N95 system has been pretty eye opening on how much people are over-speccing their builds for home server use. It has 8Gb of memory in it, but I seldom see it use more than 2. The box is doing DNS, Jellyfin, torrenting, VPN, private git, etc.

[–] Estebiu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 weeks ago

I should.. probably get one of these n100 mobo that you can find on aliexpress...

[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 weeks ago

… for a small web server.

It’s not just a small web server. It’s a dedicated server with full root access and 24/7 direct hardware access without any extra costs.

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

If you were worried about saving energy, you would be running an XMPP server over Matrix. Matrix has similarly expensive requirements as Lemmy but Prosody or ejabberd can hum in the background.

[–] stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 weeks ago

It depends on how powerful of a machine you need. My server only costs about $9.25/mo to run and it is way overpowered for the services I run on it.

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 9 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

The problem for me is I believe you need to open your network firewall for Lemmy and other federated services to work right?

Not really a fan of opening up more attack surface on my home network

[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

The problem for me is I believe you need to open your network firewall for Lemmy and other federated services to work right?

Yes, of course. Or search for an external reverse proxy. Cloudflare offers something like this. (You set a Cloudflare server IP as target for your domain and then tell Cloudflare your IP and all traffic is routed over the Cloudflare ecosystem so your actual IP is not publicly used.)

I just opened port 443 and forwarded it to my Docker host and have NPM running there, handling all the forwarding to the individual containers, based on the request, but due to my day job I know what I’m doing :)

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I would still always be worried it'd been silently bot netted or something if it's accessible, even through cloudflare

I guess cloudflare does a lot to stop attacks from bots though right?

[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I never tried it personally but I assume you're pretty save.

Here’s how it works:

The Tunnel daemon creates an encrypted tunnel between your origin web server and Cloudflare’s nearest data center, all without opening any public inbound ports.

After locking down all origin server ports and protocols using your firewall, any requests on HTTP/S ports are dropped, including volumetric DDoS attacks. Data breach attempts — such as snooping of data in transit or brute force login attacks — are blocked entirely.

https://www.cloudflare.com/products/tunnel/

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Does sound pretty reassuring assuming all that works for non http traffic too

[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

I just checked their FAQ. They have information about SSH, SMB, RDP, connecting private networks (VPN), etc. available. I did not dig deeper regarding specific ports, though.

You could always use a reverse proxy on your side just accepting port 443 connections (https) and forwarding to a specific docker container using a specific port without the outside world even knowing.

[–] nichtburningturtle@feddit.org 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

It also works through reverse proxies.

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 6 points 4 weeks ago

Is that not essentially the same issue as opening your firewall though? You're still taking requests from outside your network into your network without any authentication until they actually hit the server

[–] myersguy@lemmy.simpl.website 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

It would also result in a metric shit-ton of traffic and data storage.

Really depends how many instances they want to federate with. I run a single user instance for all of my personal Lemmy use. Looks like it is using 20Gb of bandwidth per week, and the VM it runs on only has 32Gb of storage (and it runs other services, too)

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Did you follow these instructions?:

https://join-lemmy.org/docs/administration/install_docker.html

If so, did you find they “just worked” or was there troubleshooting involved?

I’m interested in self-hosting but very busy lately with little time to spare for tech troubleshooting

[–] myersguy@lemmy.simpl.website 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I used the Lemmy Ansible method to deploy. At the time that I first installed it, it was the recommended method vs a docker compose. It is a little bit of setup, but is pretty simple to get going. Just follow the instructions and it should just work.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

If you don’t mind my asking, what’s your level of IT expertise?

Have you administered servers, used ansible, etc?

[–] myersguy@lemmy.simpl.website 4 points 4 weeks ago

I'm a software dev with quite a lot of experience in server admin. I'm also a full time Linux user, and run a lot of services both at home and on a rented VPS. I had oddly enough never used Ansible before, but the instructions on that GitHub page should make it pretty simple.

[–] Toribor@corndog.social 2 points 3 weeks ago

Lemmy is definitely the most pain in the ass service that I self host. Most annoyingly when something goes wrong I can't just go on Lemmy until I feel like fixing it.