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[–] ThomasLadder_69@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not even remotely true. Most emissions are caused by factors completely indepedent from consumer vehicles. Nearly 60 percent comes from power generation, industrial processes, and goods transportation (Not to be confused with personal vehicle use)

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Who those power generated for? What those industrial processes making? And who those goods is delivered to? It's all come down to over consumption.

We all need fuel to drive the car, if the oil is stopped today, what are people gonna do? They still have to change their behaviour regardless.

Same case everywhere. Stopping plastic and consumer has to change the way they purchase thing. Stopping beef industry and consumer has to eat less beef or eat another thing. It's a cycle, most of that 90% emission that link to big company emission is directly correlated to how the consumer act. You can't stop oil without first giving a viable alternative transportation everywhere, but you won't get viable alternative transportation and a properly build town/city if people being a little bitch with NIMBY mindset and want everywhere to be accessible by car and refuse to walk.

[–] ThomasLadder_69@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

It's all come down to over consumption.

You said it yourself... It has nothing to do with our use of personal vehicles.

Our reliance on vehicles is a result of horrible city design, lobbying from vehicle manufacturers, and lack of public transportation. All of which have nothing to do with people's tendency to over-consume.

We all need fuel to drive the car, if the oil is stopped today, what are people gonna do? They still have to change their behaviour regardless.

When you start creating impossible hypotheticals to justify your reasoning, it is a sign that your argument doesn't actually make sense.

Let's look at energy production, the single worst contributor to emissions worldwide. The consumers' propensity to overuse has no bearing on where the energy comes from. Switching to renewables comes from government intervention in the form of incentivizing/requiring green energy production. Unfortunately, due to utility monopolies (at least in the US), the consumer has no way of controlling that. So no, it's not all a cycle, if it were that simple, we wouldn't be having these problems.