You sure can if you believe that making an insignificant point in a ballot box is worth more than the actual lives of people who would die because of a Trump administration but not under a Harris one. But if you want to make an actual difference. the ballot box is one of the very few times you need to hold your nose and do the uncomfortable thing of choosing liberalism over fascism.

You can vote for fascism if that's what you want, I reject it.

But if you're okay with fascism, sure. Go and make your vote a spoiler that helps the fascists win. I'm sure the people who die because doctors who were scared to provide medically necessary abortions will be grateful that you did the morally superior, but entirely ineffective, thing.

You're voting fascism in, the Dems have failed for half a century to codify abortion rights because they don't care.

[–] Tiltinyall@beehaw.org 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You're all or nothing take on it sounds a little fascist to me...

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You wouldn't know what fascism was if you lived in Mussolini's Italy or Nazi Germany. Read Blackshirts and Reds, at least the first chapter.

[–] lengau@midwest.social 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You can vote for fascism if that’s what you want, I reject it.

You're literally making the choice to put fascism in power. I'm trying to stop you from making the same mistake I made in 2016.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You're literally voting for fascism, not sure what you mean here.

[–] HatchetHaro@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

you keep saying "vote" as if it means the same thing in a ranked-choice voting system and a first-past-the-post voting system.

newsflash: you're not making the difference you claim you're making. if anything, you're making it worse. congratulations! good job! you did it! you get a good star!

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago

Not sure what you're getting at here, RCV or FPTP, doesn't make a difference, electoralism is useless.

[–] lengau@midwest.social 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Words have definitions. Harris, for everything I don't like about her, is a liberal. Not a fascist. Trump, on the other hand, is a fascist.

The choices here are simple: fascism (Trump), not-fascism (Harris), or "I really don't care, do u?"

Why are you encouraging people to do things that will make it more likely for fascists to win and destroy what little leftist organizing there is in America? The only rational conclusion is that you want fascism. But you keep avoiding that question. Is it because you're taking a page out of the alt-right playbook?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You wouldn't know fascism if you lived in Nazi Germany. Read the first chapter of Blackshirts and Reds, fascism is just Capitalism in decay, and neither the DNC nor GOP are capable of stopping that.

[–] lengau@midwest.social 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Once again avoiding the question and making personal attacks instead.

Your words imply that you think I believe having Harris as president will fix things. I don't. What I do believe is it will slow the decline, hopefully enough for us to create ways to escape capitalism without having fascists commit more genocides than they already are. This is known as "harm reduction." It's a complex theory by which one takes actions to reduce the harm done with immediate actions when there's no immediate action that one can take to improve things. The ballot box in 2024 is not the time for a revolution, for said revolution would fail miserably, leaving us worse off. The ballot box in 2024 is the time for harm reduction.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Once again avoiding the question and making personal attacks instead.

What have I avoided?

Your words imply that you think I believe having Harris as president will fix things. I don't. What I do believe is it will slow the decline, hopefully enough for us to create ways to escape capitalism without having fascists commit more genocides than they already are. This is known as "harm reduction." It's a complex theory by which one takes actions to reduce the harm done with immediate actions when there's no immediate action that one can take to improve things. The ballot box in 2024 is not the time for a revolution, for said revolution would fail miserably, leaving us worse off. The ballot box in 2024 is the time for harm reduction.

That's not Harm Reduction. Harm Reduction doesn't mean to vote for genocidal imperialists as a temporary measure, it refers to implementing permanent solutions that increase liklihood of fixing the problem overall, like giving safer heroin to addicts and trying to get them help.

[–] lengau@midwest.social 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What have I avoided?

Well immediately above I asked:

Why are you encouraging people to do things that will make it more likely for fascists to win and destroy what little leftist organizing there is in America?

You have asserted that the actions you advocate won't do that, but when I explain how they do exactly that, you simply make the assertion again. When that fails, you attempt to equivocate. But when I point out that more genocide is more harmful than less genocide, you simply ignore my statements and make your assertions again.

That's not helpful. It might convince some people, but only in the same way that repeating a lie enough makes some people believe it.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago

Why are you encouraging people to do things that will make it more likely for fascists to win and destroy what little leftist organizing there is in America?

The Dems and Reps work together against Leftist organization. They colluded to kick PSL off the ballot in Georgia, Tim Walz sent in the National Guard against Black Lives Matter protestors, and more. When you say that abandoning the Democrats "makes it more likely for fascists to win and destroy leftist organizing," you ignore what fascism actually is: Capitalism in decay. It isn't the Republican party alone, it's the bourgeoisie. That is why I advocate for abandoning them and pushing for Leftist organization like PSL and FRSO.

You have asserted that the actions you advocate won't do that, but when I explain how they do exactly that, you simply make the assertion again. When that fails, you attempt to equivocate. But when I point out that more genocide is more harmful than less genocide, you simply ignore my statements and make your assertions again.

You haven't explained how abandoning Democrats makes it more likely for fascism to win. Fascism isn't solely the Republican Party, it's bipartisan. Secondly, more genocide is absolutely worse, but you haven't explained how that would happen. If you don't analyze the root cause of genocide, how can you say the Dems are holding genocide back? Biden went above the Pentagon to approve the invasion of Lebanon, because support for Israel is economic and not moral.

That's not helpful. It might convince some people, but only in the same way that repeating a lie enough makes some people believe it.

Please answer my points, I repeat them because you ignore them.