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We absolutely can in fact vote for people who won't give Israel weapons. Your entire comment is a paradox of voting not having any ability to impede the genocide, but voting also being able to enable it. That you treat some level of genocide complicity as an inevitable and unsolvable reality, is either sad defeatism, or feigned concern to avoid admitting indifference. We can absolutely choose something other than "will vociferously back genocide", or "will pay lip service to the genocidees, while backing the genocide". There is no binary except that which your projection of that as the reality reifies.
I was absolutely ecstatic when Biden stepped aside, because Harris had a laid-bare path to distance herself from Biden's support of Israel, win back those voters, and get on the right side of history. She has elected not to take that path. I still hope she wins over Trump, but I've now got multiple friends with family who our complicity with Israel has put in direct harm, and they are not wrong or short-sighted, if they choose not to back her when she's shown every indication that she will send the weapons that Israel may use to kill their families and friends.
People on here act like this is an issue that affects people elsewhere, and not Americans, and it's not.
Less than a month before election day, we have enough data to know that either Trump or Harris will win. Voting for someone is not an endorsement or showing support for them. A vote ought to be a strategic action, optimizing for outcomes you would like to see.
For me, this means voting for Jill Stein, because I live in Oregon. But if I lived in Michigan, I would vote for Harris with a clear conscious. If you live in a battle ground state, voting is too important to be used as an expression of values.