right, and with that sort of prevalence, and so little detrimental effects to society, there isn't good enough evidence for advocating "treatment" of most people who just think differently than other people.

largely, they notice or pay attention to different things, so "treatments" are unnecessary, obtrusive or damaging.

exception given to extreme cases, "treating" ADHD seems a lot like removing funding for arts courses because school administrators don't value the arts.

[–] BrotherL0v3@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hi. I failed out of college, in no small part due to undiagnosed ADHD. I wanna offer a little pushback.

I can't tell if you want to change society to be less punishing to neurodivergent people, or if your whole thesis is "People with ADHD have little to no trouble in society today".

If it's the former: not treating people who are struggling is not the way to change society. Accepting for the sake of argument that ADHD people "pay attention to different things"; paying attention to some things is critical to my ability to thrive. I would love to live in a world where I could just do what I thought was important and still have my needs taken care of, but unfortunately I'm stuck needing to pay attention to stupid bullshit I don't care about in order to make a living, and that's a tremendous struggle without medication.

If it's the latter: Jesus Christ, talk to someone with ADHD.

And finally: I take issue with your metaphor at the end. What do you think is present in an unmedicated person with ADHD that is somehow missing in a medicated person?

[+] Varyk@sh.itjust.works -16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

"less punishing to neurodivergent people"

I mostly agree with this.

"People with ADHD have little to no trouble in society today"

i disagree, that is antithetical to my previous comment.

that said, neurotypical or divergent, if you don't have trouble in society today, I want to know more about your society.

"not treating people who are struggling is not the way to change society"

yes, and neither is treating people who don't wish to be treated or are treated unnecessarily.

are you sure you're responding to the right comment? I haven't said many of the things you are arguing against so far.

"and that's a tremendous struggle without medication"

then according to my previous comment, you are one of the extreme cases that need and want intervention, and should receive it.

"I take issue with your metaphor at the end"

I gather from your preceding assumptions and arguments against things that I have not said, along with your general combative tone, that you have been quixoticaly swept up in an imagined narrative that you feel you must do battle with.

"What do you think is present in an unmedicated person with ADHD that is somehow missing in a medicated person?"

missing? nothing.

[–] BrotherL0v3@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Combative? Take a look in the mirror pal.

I guess I'm ultimately confused about what you're arguing for. My ADHD is by no means "extreme"; trouble focusing at work or school is one of the baseline things you're unlikely to get diagnosed without. I can't imagine any reasonable person advocating for medicating people who don't stand to benefit from it, which seems to be the motte to your bailey.

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

we don't give a shit what "detriment to society" adhd is. Executive dysfunction is detrimental to the quality of life, and that's one symptom amongst many

the society was built for neurotypical people, and so neurodiverse people need help to function in it in a way that doesn't make them feel worthless - and that means treatment, be it with therapy and/or meds