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Concerns Raised Over Bitwarden Moving Further Away From Open-Source (www.phoronix.com)
submitted 3 weeks ago by AsudoxDev@programming.dev to c/technology@lemmy.world
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[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 129 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

Oh, for fuck’s sake. Can we have a decent password manager that isn’t tied to a browser or company? I pay for Bitwarden. I’m not being cheap. But open source is more secure. We can look at the code ourselves if there’s a concern.

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 68 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Keepass: Am I a joke to you?

[–] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 28 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Love Keepass. Love that I can sync it however I want. Love that there are multiple open source client options across several operating systems.

[–] saddlebag@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Android syncthing announced they’re stopping development this year. Open source got fucked double today

[–] prosp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 weeks ago

terrible day. There is a fork called syncthing-fork that is under current development. I hope both projects merge.

[–] wetsuiterest@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Keepassxc? Vaultwarden?

[–] pmc@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Isn't Vaultwarden used with non-free Bitwarden clients?

[–] bilb@lem.monster 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

This need not be the case, though! There's an open source client on Android called Keyguard. I don't think the desktop app was at all useful anyway. You can just log into your Vaultwarden through any browser. The desktop app is pointless.

[–] 486@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Keyguard isn't open source. Have a look at their license. It just says "All rights reserved".

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 2 points 3 weeks ago

True, but the firefox extension is nice.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The clients are free.

[–] pmc@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

They now require a non-free Bitwarden SDK component. That's what this whole conversation is about.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago

And the whole conversation is about a bug, not a change in direction...

Update: Bitwarden posted to X this evening to reaffirm that it's a "packaging bug" and that "Bitwarden remains committed to the open source licensing model."

[–] aisteru@lemmy.aisteru.ch 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Could you ELI5 please?

[–] AsudoxDev@programming.dev 7 points 3 weeks ago

"You may not use this SDK to develop applications for use with software other than Bitwarden (including non-compatible implementations of Bitwarden) or to develop another SDK."

This is a condition when using their SDK. This is not considered a free (as in freedom) component because it violates freedom 0: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html#four-freedoms

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

Only the desktop client. And the response is that not being able to compile sans SDK is an issue they will resolve.

I still think this is bad directionally, but we need to see what happens.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 weeks ago

Its called Keepass. You are welcome

[–] asap@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Nothing in the article or in the Bitwarden repo suggests that it's moving away from open source

[–] coolmojo@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It is a license problem. The license condition of the SDK which is required to build the client app change to limit the usage of it. The new license states that you can only use the Bitwarden SDK for Bitwarden. It is against the Freedoom-0 of the Free Software Foundation. The limitation of English language is that it is hard to differentiate between Free (as in Free bear) and Free (as in Freedoom). Also open source which could mean complaining with FOSS and that source is available. This been unfortunately have been abused before.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

From the article, it's a packaging bug, not a change in direction.

Update: Bitwarden posted to X this evening to reaffirm that it's a "packaging bug" and that "Bitwarden remains committed to the open source licensing model."

[–] coolmojo@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I was referring to this which started it all.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago

Here is the code in question. Basically, it's a source-available, but not FOSS internal SDK, with the following language:

The password manager SDK is not intended for public use and is not supported by Bitwarden at this stage. It is solely intended to centralize the business logic and to provide a single source of truth for the internal applications. As the SDK evolves into a more stable and feature complete state we will re-evaluate the possibility of publishing stable bindings for the public. The password manager interface is unstable and will change without warning.

So I think the "bug" here is in not linking the original repo in the NPM package, and there's a decent chance that this internal SDK will become FOSS in the future once it stabilizes. That said, it's currently not FOSS, but it's too early IMO to determine whether Bitwarden is moving in a non-FOSS direction, or if they're just trying to keep things simple while they do some heavy refactoring to remove redundancy across apps.

Given their past, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but I'll be making sure I have regular backups in case things change.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago

They have confirmed it was a packaging bug and will be resolved.

[–] 01011@monero.town 4 points 3 weeks ago

Pass.

[–] cy_narrator@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Notepad.exe

Its open source now right?