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Why are so many Pro-Palestine (I am pro-Palestine and anti-genocide) Americans refusing to vote for Harris due to her stance on Israel? (discuss.tchncs.de)
submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml
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As the title states I am confused on this matter. The way I see it, the USA has a two party system and in the next few weeks they’re either going to have Trump or Harris as president, come inauguration day. With this in mind doesn’t it make sense to vote for the person least likely to escalate the situation even more.

Giving your vote to an independent or worse not voting at all, just gives more of a chance for Trump to win the election and then who knows what crazy stuff he will allow, or encourage, Israel to get away with.

I really don’t get the logic. As sure nobody wants to vote for a party allowing these heinous crimes to be committed, but given you’re getting one of them shouldn’t you be voting for the one that will be the least horrible of the two.

Please don’t come at me with pro-Israeli rhetoric as this isn’t the post for that, I’m asking about why people would make such choices and I’m not up for debate on the Middle East, on this post, you can DM me for that.

Edit: Bedtime here now so will respond to incoming comments in the morning, love starting the day with an inbox full 😊.

Edit 2: This blew up, it’s a little overwhelming right now but I do intent on replying to everybody that took the time to comment. Just need to get in the right headspace.

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[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

I don't know, I'm just speculating. I'd like to find out though. Why is my curiosity under investigation, lol?

[–] gramophone_mind@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah a bit. It looks a bit like an act. Being based in Europe doesn't exactly mean much in terms of understanding world politics.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

In my case, it means I'm not trying to debate with anyone or sway opinions. And it means I'm not following statements made by American politicians very much. So that's why I'm hoping someone who is kind and knows more will tell me. Someone already has, so I'm satisfied here. 🙂

If you still think I'm acting, so be it. 🫡

[–] gramophone_mind@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, I find it hard to believe. Declaring innocence at each sentence is a red flag. I don't personally care, but I can't get myself to believe you either.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

innocence

What is there to be "guilty" of? What is this obsession of yours? I'm just confused here... I'm saying I don't know Trump's stance on Israel, and would like to know what it is, and you're claiming I'm "guilty" of actually knowing that but I'm pretending not to know? Do you hear how absurd that sounds? Why would I do that?

Please tell me I'm misunderstanding what your claims are here.

[–] gramophone_mind@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

No one said anything about guilt. Just innocence.

I don't think you are misunderstanding anything.

And I don't know why people do weird stuff like pretend not to know something to "bait Americans" into a discussion. Maybe they get off from it.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

There's no "innocence" without the implication of some form of guilt. Simple concept.

So you are seriously thinking I have some sort of agenda that I want to "bait Americans" into some kind of discussion where I get off (sexually?) on this. That's the gist of it?

Have you heard of Occam's Razor? Have you considered that it might just be the way I'm actually telling you? That I'm just curious about what Trump's stance on Israel is, like I told you? Why is that so implausible to you?

You seem to be getting off on this conspiratorial thinking waaay more than I am, IMO. Because I'll tell you, I am loathing this conversation with you. 😕

[–] gramophone_mind@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yeah man like I explained, the way you phrase things or the way you dramatize makes you look like a wolf clearly dressed as a sheep. Sort of like a bad actor. Maybe only to me, but hey I only represent myself. Other readers can freely engage you.

Ps. Yes I have considered that and found it not to be true after careful consideration.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

found it not to be true after careful consideration

Jesus Christ bruh. What a tool.

[–] gramophone_mind@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

It's the way you dramatize it and declare innocence at every step that makes this a red flag. Don't get me wrong, I don't personally care, I just can't get myself to believe you. The whole Europe thing looks like you are baiting Americans into the discussion.

I'm based in Europe and I am yet to meet anyone ever who still needs to speculate about Trump's stance on stuff.

Anyway I hope you enjoy the discussion.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

baiting Americans into the discussion

That's... pretty much what I'm trying to do, yes. I'm trying to get an American (probably), who knows what Trump's stance on Israel is. But other nationalities are also fine, just as long as they know the answer. I was just curious. But if it comes with all these preposterous accusations, I'd rather Google it. Otherwise I like to have conversations with humans rather than ask Google. It's more fun. More social.

🤷‍♂️

[–] gramophone_mind@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And I like to have conversations with people who don't bait others into a debate by playing innocent.

🤷

Anyway no harm done, and I'm just a "fellow European" so I'm not the target here.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

fellow European

Seems like you're Palestinian. That might explain why you are possibly thinking irrationally about this add this is a very sensitive subject for you. But please try to act rationally. I'm not talking about the conflict. I'm pro Palestine/against war/conflict. But try to act reasonably. Stop putting words into my mouth and accusing me of shit. (Also Palestine is not in Europe. But maybe you're an assimilated migrant to another country by now.)

And I like to have conversations with people who don't bait others into a debate by playing innocent.

🤷

Well, let's hope you don't find someone like that. 🙄 Good day.

[–] gramophone_mind@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I am both Palestinian and European. Or is that another thing you are oblivious about? That one can be both?

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Man, you just have some sort of chip on your shoulder. I tried my best to be nice to you but you're just an asshole, I guess. Bye.