Hares another thought I had.
We all know the political compass. The simple way to map all of politics in just two axis on a 2d plain. Reducing the fascinating complexity of society to just four sectors. With such unhelpful labels as "left" and "right". Here's my version. The "left-right" axis is replaced with class authority and "lib-auth" with state authority. Now If any lib-rights want to argue with me about the label I'm happy to do so.
The other thing I want to note is that, in my opinion, the lib-right and auth-left sectors are impossible. They represent ideas that do not match reality. because authority creates authority. By mapping class and state authority separately you can see that if you somehow manage to eliminate one but champion the other, the remaining will just form the other. Either by state bureaucrats becoming the privileged class, or the companies creating private militias and becoming states in all but name. That is what the black arrows represent: the tendency to move to a stable balance between the two authorities.
I describe what I see. Ideology is backed by action. Actions committed in the name of an ideology is that ideology. You can say you're classless as much as you want but you won't be classless unless you act like it. And the state-apparatus creates a class of its own. This is all very classic anarchist theory.
Aren't the outcomes what's important? The reds will keep telling you that they can make statelessness using the state but I don't believe it possible. They can spout as much ideology as they want but that won't change the outcome.