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One California City Wants to Get Rid of Gas | Residents of liberal Berkeley will get to vote on a second attempt to curb use of the fuel in buildings. (www.bloomberg.com)
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For context, having it in your house seems to knock a couple years off your life expectancy

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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If that’s right, you don’t need to ban gas cooking, just ban residential heating and let the market take care of it.

Y’all just want to tear shit down to pat yourselves on the back.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Definitely could do it that way. But everybody is better off if we do it in a planned way instead of leaving people to deal with that kind of a mess.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So whats the plan to replace gas in commercial kitchens? Oh wait there isn’t one.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Two options right now:

  1. Run new electrical lines to them capable of providing for their actual needs
  2. Propane
[–] D1G17AL@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Propane doesn't offer the benefits you seem to think it does. It's more expensive and the distribution system for it likely has as many issues as the natural gas does. Going after natural gas distribution while we still have larger and more significant sources of emissions is a minuscule bandage solution at best. At worst it solves a very minor source of emissions problems at a major cost in both money and convenience.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Those commercial and residential emissions - those are largely about the fuels burned in buildings. 14% of the total is enough to matter — and when we're running out of time to get emissions to zero, we need to cut it all to zero, not pick and choose.