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Nick Timothy, a Conservative MP, asked Lammy to clarify that "there is not a genocide occurring in the Middle East", adding that words like "genocide" in connection with Gaza were "not appropriate" and "repeated by protesters and lawbreakers".

Lammy’s answer began well: "These are, quite properly, legal terms that must be determined by international courts."

Lammy might have noted that experts, such as the Israeli scholar Omer Bartov and the Lemkin Institute, founded by Raphael Lemkin, who in 1942 invented the term genocide, have already described Israel’s action in Gaza as exactly that. Neither can remotely be described as protesters or lawbreakers.

Instead, Lammy got chummy with Timothy. This should not come as a surprise since Keir Starmer's Labour has a habit of siding with Tories rather than its own MPs over Gaza.

"I do agree with the honourable gentleman," said Lammy, before redefining the term genocide in a way that no expert would recognise, let alone accept. The word, the foreign secretary told the House of Commons, was "largely used when millions of people lost their lives in crises like Rwanda, the Second World War, the Holocaust, and the way that they are used now undermines the seriousness of that term".

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[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 18 points 5 days ago (12 children)

We shouldn't be surprised. Lammy is a cabinet minister in a UK government. You're not going to get a different answer on this topic. Deselect him if you feel strongly otherwise. These people don't listen to anything else.

He's also a hardcore Christian. Listen to his views on assisted dying for example. Whilst still in opposition he was asked about this on Question Time not that long ago. When the topic via Esther Rantzen first came up. He said he would seek council from his constituency and then made it clear that it was his church constituency that he was referring to. Forget about the electorate. His head and heart is firmly aligned with what his congregation wants. I suspect on this matter it is much the same.

[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago (11 children)

Deselect him if you feel strongly otherwise

PLP keep overriding the selection process around me to ignore local candidates or skip the process completely. If you want to be serious about politics in the current climate you need to be serious about inflicting permanent harm on politicians.

[–] WestBromwich@feddit.uk 4 points 4 days ago (3 children)

you need to be serious about inflicting permanent harm on politicians

I don't think you phrased that in the best way... I hope you mean punish them at the ballot box

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

and that's why you will never see change in your lifetime

[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 3 points 4 days ago

Going round harming or killing MPs that you disagree with wouldn't bring any positive change at all. MPs on all sides and the public have absolutely no tolerance for it and would rally together against anyone doing this. You'd look like deranged extremists no matter your position.

It excuses the other sides to also use violence to achieve their aims and it would be utter carnage, making the government crack down extremely hard and probably bring in even more draconian police powers.

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