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[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (127 children)

They aren't wrong. At least not in spirit. In a non-stupid system they'd be correct at every level.

Https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo

Until everybody in the conversation understands the contents of that video, you aren't at the point where you can have the conversation meaningfully. It changes the whole game.

And once they understand it, the remaining conversation may just be a mutual nod of understanding. First past the post is a third party killer, and not because the idiot populace lacks the will. The actual voting math itself is the problem, and ranked choice (or similar) solves the voting math problem in a way that third, fourth, fifth parties can exist and win, instead of debuffing allies and by so doing helping their enemies.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 2 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

If Democrats really cared about beating Republicans, they would be fighting hard for ranked choice voting. Instead, their primary concern is setting up a scapegoat so they can blame "the left' if they lose.

[–] ReiRose@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is the scapegoat I'll always remember:

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Did the democratic party ever update their vetting process?

[–] ReiRose@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Idk. Tbh for me this was a huge turning point of distrust. They had the power and couldn't get a $15 minimum passed. I've since kind of fallen down the "the system is working exactly as designed" rabbit hole. From where I am, I don't believe a vetting process will really help.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 2 points 2 weeks ago

I had this thought after Obama removed the "public option" from the ACA.

I can't conclusively prove that the Dems claim to support progressive policies but always offer up a Sinema to take the heat for failing...but in the last 15 years I haven't seen anything that contradicts this theory. When banks need money it's an emergency and we had better shovel cash out the door without discussion, but when people need help we kick them a month's rent and then bitch about it for years.

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