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Former CIA Director Leon Panetta warned that Trump’s return to the White House could embolden Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, giving him a "blank check" in the Middle East and increasing the risk of war with Iran.

Panetta expressed concern that Trump would support Netanyahu's aggressive stance against Iran without restraint, potentially worsening regional instability.

Panetta also predicted Trump might allow Russia to retain parts of Ukraine if he returns to office, though he doubted Trump’s negotiation skills.

He criticized Trump’s approach to foreign policy, suggesting Trump would be inclined to "capitulate" to authoritarian leaders, which may not sit well with some Republicans.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (8 children)

This is one of the excuses they are giving rather than accept any culpability whatsoever. "Even if we voted for Harris, Trump would still have won."

[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Culpability for what? Nothing is forcing Biden and Harris to support such atrocities. Nothing forced them to abandon the left and the working class and cater to the right at every opportunity. If you want to point fingers, why don't you start with the actual candidate leading the campaign, who consciously made all these decisions, and the party leaders backing her?

Was 2016 not enough of a wakeup call? Was the near loss in 2020 not a wakeup call? Here we are in 2024, repeating the same old song and dance, and people are still digging their heels in thinking that moving further and further right is a winning strategy for the Democrats and it's everyone else's fault when it doesn't work again and again and again.

Maybe the party leadership will finally pull their heads out of their asses after this, but I won't hold my breath. They'll probably pick someone like Joe Manchin to run in 2028 and then wonder where it all went wrong once again when he loses to someone like Ted Cruz or Ron DeSantis.

[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Culpability for what?

Maybe handing all three branches of a nuclear power to literal fascists?

Maybe the party leadership will finally pull their heads out of their asses after this, but I won't hold my breath. They'll probably pick someone like Joe Manchin to run in 2028...

You really don't grasp what has has transpired here do you? You think that those of us who have been ringing the alarms are just overreacting and it's going to be business as usual?

[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee -2 points 1 week ago

Maybe handing all three branches of a nuclear power to literal fascists?

I did that? The Supreme Court was already under control of the fascists because the DNC rolled over and allowed the Republicans to take the nomination away from Obama a year before the election. They again rolled over and allowed Trump to nominate yet another justice weeks before the election. In my district we voted in a blue congresswoman and had no senators on the ballot. Are these losses around the rest of the country my fault, too, or the fault of the people running those campaigns?

You really don't grasp what has has transpired here do you? You think that those of us who have been ringing the alarms are just overreacting and it's going to be business as usual?

How exactly were you ringing the alarm bells? By telling everyone to vote for Biden and then Harris? By telling everyone the obvious about what a piece of shit Trump is? How did that work out for us?

I've been ringing the alarm bells about how terrible the Dems have been performing and all the shitty policy they've been supporting (genocide, the rich, the right) and got so much pushback. I've been called a shill, a republican in disguise, an idiot, and everything else under the sun and look how things turned out for us. You supported a losing strategy from a party full of neoliberals that doesn't give two shits about you or anyone else and now you want to point fingers. As I said before, how could it not be more clear after losing or nearly losing this many elections in a row that the DNC and their leadership is the problem?

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