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Joining any org or party is definitely one part of the pie, and that’s a direct thing we want everyone to do. But here’s the bigger play: we need someone with real media reach (a Hasan, Hakim, Second Thought type) to come out and say, *“I back this proposal for a national convention on December 20th, 2025, in New Orleans. This blog makes a solid point, and I’m putting my will behind making it happen.” *

That alone would spread like wildfire.

Right now, my reach is a few thousand people a week, but if you know any influencers or YouTubers, reach out. Show them the proposal. Just one big voice backing this would blow it up. And for the rest of us, keep the word going. Bring it up on Reddit, Discord, wherever, and say, “I read this blog about a national leftist convention on December 20th in New Orleans; it’s exactly what we need–spread it around!"

The more we get this circulating, the faster we build real momentum. Let’s make it happen.

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[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So expressing my discomfort about the intentional exclusion of communists is a sectarian attack? I think that says more than I would need to elaborate on by I will do it anyway

I disagree wholeheartedly, saying anarchists and leftists is redundant but you did that, saying socialists and leftists is redundant and you did that. Often in the imperial core we will see these same types of intentional exclusion of communism, and if you are making it a point to even include "populists" (sus) but exclude communists this seems highly questionable. Me expressing that question being called a sectarian attack out the gate is... interesting.

There are a probably dozen random individuals calling for things like this every year which no meaningful work has been put into. I see on your blog you are telling people to get organized and saying lots of fine things but I don't think you have any idea what you are trying to do and don't know why you think you would be able to pull it off.

If there is going to be some big leftist conference that forms out of nothing in a year, why do you think your blog is the catalyst for that?

Have you ever gotten a bunch of anarchists and socialists and communists and populists and Indigenous people together to work on a project before?

Have you ever been a part of a large construction of an organization where these groups are all represented, come to agreement about organizational structure, founded the org, and then operated it successfully from then on out?

Is there some lack of organizing work in your community or with organizations around you they you think trying to get people to focus their limited energy on your unknown event is the best use of everyone's time?

[–] dukedevin@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Let’s be real here—what’s the point of this critique? I’ve called myself a communist, my site is openly communist, and I’m here proposing a way for us to organize together. The fact that “communist” didn’t appear on one poster doesn’t mean I’m excluding anyone. This knee-jerk reaction to nitpick instead of offering support reeks of wrecker energy.

Look, I’m not here claiming to have all the answers or pretending I’m some top-level organizer. I'm not. I'm quitely literally just some working class guy with a small bit of reach. I’m just one person with a bit of reach saying, “Here’s something we could do. It’s actionable, it’s achievable, and it’s something that could bring us together.” I’m giving this proposal a year—long enough to make real plans and short enough to stay in focus. This isn’t about me as an individual; it’s about creating a mass movement where everyone has a role, where no single person is expected to carry the whole thing.

It’s interesting—the responses I’ve gotten to my post-election statement and the call for a December 20th convention are really telling. I’ve heard from people who aren’t usually politically motivated, like my friend down in the deep South who’s now seriously considering joining a party. She’s terrified by the new abortion laws and sees this as a chance to take control of her future. To her, this isn’t about leftist factions or ideological purity; it’s about survival, about hope.

But bring up the same idea to people on the left—especially the hyper-online left—and it’s a whole different story. Suddenly, it’s “You’re not Lenin,” or “You’re just an idealist,” or “You’re not the great man who can pull this off.” The message is clear: don’t even bother. To me, that’s the exact attitude holding us back.

Why not cut through all the noise and just say, “Here’s someone with a plan—maybe I’ll get behind it and see where it goes.” Why not use this as an opportunity to meet other leftists, to get organizing experience, to learn something along the way? That’s exactly why I’m doing this—setting goals and working toward them. at the end of the day, you’ve got a choice: get involved and help, or get out of the way.

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

What is the point of critique at all? I hear you that you are calling yourself a communist and posting that on your blog, but what is a communist if not someone who is ready ruthlessly criticize and be criticized in turn? First you called me a sectarian for expressing my discomfort with your exclusion of communists in the poster, now you are calling me a wrecker for critiquing you instead of giving my support for your "plan." My criticism is all the support you will get out if me and if you were sincere about any of this you would at least attempt to engage with it instead of immediately going for ad hominem and otherwise ignoring everything I am saying.

So people with no political development are looking to you for answers and people who are politically developed are critiquing you and so the critics must be wrong (and worse, wreckers) and your conference must be the thing we spend energy organizing around?

You think what has been holding back revolution in the imperial core is people who are politically developed criticizing your half baked idea of a future plan to see about trying to make yet another attempt of a big tent organization (with both populists, and just Indigenous people in general I guess?)

You say it's not about you as an individual but you are basing your organizing not around the masses, or workers, or an organization, but a blog named after your own name, which I hope and assume is a pseudonym. You say you have a plan, and a questionably popular blog amongst people with no political development, so why can't people just use whatever time and resources they have to make your plan a reality, maybe this time when we get a bunch of settler anarchists and populists and socialists and Indigenous people in general together, somehow there will spontaneously be a spark that lights a prairie fire; all we've been needing is a blog to arise which will call these vague categories of people together into one place so they can join together in solidarity and march as one against our mutual oppressors.

By the very nature of what you are describing, it is not going to happen. You are not going to get the vague movements listed to unify a strategy for collective liberation. If you had done any research and spent any time with people who live and breathe these movements it would be painfully obvious, and if you aren't even doing the basic groundwork to make something of this magnitude happen, it seems like you are just hoping the people who have done that work will see this and think, "Finally, I've spent years working my ass off to build myself up as an organizer and grow meaningful relationships with people in my community for this day when the plan is finally announced, I will step up and give all of these connections and experiences to this stranger and his blog convention to make sure it happens." I suppose you pretty much said this from the beginning when you put it out there that if anyone knows any influencers or youtubers that they should get them to shout it out. Your strategy is hoping that a random call to action from a virtually unknown person will mobilize people to enact your "plan," have you ever done any organizing ever? Do you know how hard it is to get people to show up to shit they actually care about? At best you'll have a convention full of people who are hoping to learn about these topics showing up and being misinformed, lead astray at worst.

I know this feels like I'm just shitting on your party or whatever but it is coming from a place of sincerity and experience, if you really care about this stuff you need to actually do some organizing work and study, that's it. It's good and fine to just be early in political development and new to organizing, and if you want to have a blog go for it but if you want to try and initiate the opening scene of The Warriors but for leftists, at least do it through an organization that does actual organizing work in the real world with people who you are accountable to so they can tell you no to your face, and hopefully explain to you that derailing the necessary organizing work that needs to be done for actual survival in order to plan your convention isn't the best use of organizational resources.