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What will it take for staunch Democrats to vote third party? (x.com)
submitted 6 days ago by CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work to c/usnews@beehaw.org
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.crimedad.work/post/151111

With the dust is settling from their defeat on Tuesday, it's becoming clearer that there was some incredible malpractice going on in the Democratic party. As shown in the tweet I linked, Biden delayed dropping out even though his team knew it was going to be a complete blowout for Trump. Then, we have Harris's campaign spending over a billion dollars and still losing all of the swing states she needed to win.

For all the Democrats who would never vote Republican and would have never voted third party, are you now considering voting third party in future elections? If not, what would it take?

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[–] CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Why? 100,000 people over the course of a few months isn’t enough of a problem for you?

I did a quick search and the most recent statistic I found was that at least 7.36 million people were arrested for all offenses in the US in 2022. That is about half of the peak annual rate in the nineties. The sad reality is that 100,000 more arrests spread out over a year just isn't that much. If you are clarifying the scenario as "100,000 people getting deportation or prison time for things that are currently absolutely clearly legal, such as being Hispanic or attending a protest", then that is specific enough for me to agree to a six month window.

I agree on the terms for the second scenario, that there's new legislation or policy under Trump that leads to social media users or operators getting criminally charged merely for social media posts that are critical of the Republican party.

I'll bet $50 against each scenario. I'm fine with not paying each other. The loser can pay that much to the organization of the winner's choice. If I am successful I will probably choose a smaller group that provides legal assistance to immigrants and asylum seekers or maybe a strike fund. I don't know. The point is I won't expect you to give money to something bad.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I said 100,000 who receive at least a year of imprisonment, or deportation, or something similarly severe like getting shot. Someone just getting arrested, I don’t really care about. They already do that, and the damage isn’t always nothing, but I was talking about life-altering punishments.

There were 64,142 felony or class A misdemeanor sentences pronounced in 2022. A year is about the bottom end of prison time for a felony, so that’s probably an okay estimate for the number of people who received that punishment level in 2022.

https://www.ussc.gov/about/annual-report-2022

I’m fine with the six-month timeframe you said. If it goes from 32,000 cases to 132,000 cases then you’ll agree that’s a problem.

I’ll bet $50 against each scenario. I’m fine with not paying each other. The loser can pay that much to the organization of the winner’s choice.

You know what? Sure. I’ll shake on it if you will. If we’re still around and on Lemmy at the end, hit me up and we’ll see how it happened.