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Wow, next they're going to get rid of first past the post to introduce ranked voting. That would be absolutely incredible. But in a country that voted for Brexit, my hopes are low.
I remember last time we tried to change the voting system we got idiotic posters like this, and they worked.
And we're even dumber now, so yeah I don't hold out much hope either.
The LibDems tried to change the voting system, and got absolutely slaughtered for it.
Brexit and all the bullshit was just a repeat of the AV referendum with lessons learnt about how to trigger the Tories.
Brexit happened because the conservatives couldn't be arsed sorting out their own affairs so made it everyone else's problem.
We should not have a referendum on changing the election system. They should just change it, there's no reasonable person that would have a problem with it, but there's plenty of unreasonable people and uninformed people that would vote against their own interests if it was put to a referendum.
I think getting rid of the house of lords makes sense.
However let's not vote because no reasonable person would disagree with me is a completely shit argument.
Well there's a continuum isn't there between asking everyone about everything and asking nobody about anything. So where are we on that continuum, because if the government just hold referendums every time they change any policy then they may as well not exist, and we might as well just have direct democracy (Which never works).
So why should we hold a referendum for this, but not hold a referendum for example increasing the pay of railway workers?
I think you're unreasonable, would vote against your own interest, and I'll instead just change your life the way I see fit. Because I'm reasonable. I'm smarter and better than you.
How very edgy of you. Except you don't actually have a point do you?
No one's life would be damaged by changing the system without consultation. What's the point in consultation with people who have no understanding of the system, the vast majority of the population have no reasonable input that they could provide. The whole point of government is so that the entire population doesn't have to worry about complicated administrative matters.
Ignore them. Its just a 14 yr old Trump supporter.
I just think that broadly, I should be the one making decisions. Not you, with your dumbass lead poisoned brain.
The reasons for Brexit are complex, but I'd say if the populace were educated and raised to know how to inform themselves when needed, they would've realized the importance of the vote, participated, and voted to stay in the EU. There are a cascading amount of issues and while politicians play a big role, the population plays an equally big (or even bigger) role.
Your concern is understandable. My only wish is that the change will be proposed and that there is enough political will to change it.