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[–] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 36 points 21 hours ago (30 children)

While Russia is the belligerent actor and it is their fault, pre-2014 Ukraine was hardly "neutral", having mulled both NATO and EU ascension discussions. The latter being the actual provocation rather than the former. (This isn't at all to say any of this is Ukraine's "fault", only to point out they were not "neutral")

In early 2013 the Ukrainian parliament agreed to make legal steps towards EU ascension (source 2014 pro Russia unrest in Ukraine)

Which is what Lord Robertson, the former Secretary General of Nato, has stated was the start of the crisis:

"One theory, propounded by realists such as the academic John Mearsheimer, is that Nato expansion in eastern Europe was the reason that Putin invaded Ukraine. Robertson dismissed the idea. “I met Putin nine times during my time at Nato. He never mentioned Nato enlargement once.” What Robertson said next was interesting: “He’s not bothered about Nato, or Nato enlargement. He’s bothered by the European Union. The whole Ukraine crisis started with the offer of an EU accession agreement to Ukraine in 2014.

Putin fears countries on Russia’s border being “fundamentally and permanently” changed by EU accession. “Every aspect [of society is affected] – they woke up very late to it… I don’t think they ever fully understood the EU,” Robertson said, adding the caveat that the EU was not at fault because accession was what Ukraine, as a sovereign nation, wanted." [end quote]

Source: https://www.newstatesman.com/encounter/2024/05/george-robertson-nato-why-russia-fears-european-union

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 8 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

The whole Ukraine crisis started with the offer of an EU accession agreement to Ukraine in 2014

I think the crisis technically started with a military invasion. If not that, then we could go back and forth on this to the founding of NATO and before.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago

Them saying that is like someone who beat their wife to death saying "it all began with her having glanced at a man who walked past."

[–] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

I think on this occasion I'll defer to how a secretary general of NATO chooses to phrase it

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