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Philippa Foot is most known for her invention of the Trolley Problem thought experiment in the 1960s. A lesser known variation of hers is as follows:

Suppose that a judge is faced with rioters demanding that a culprit be found for a certain crime. The rioters are threatening to take bloody revenge on a particular section of the community. The real culprit being unknown, the judge sees himself as able to prevent the bloodshed from the riots only by framing some innocent person and having them executed.

These are the only two options: execute an innocent person for a crime they did not commit, or let people riot in the streets knowing that people will die. If you were the judge, what would you do?

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[โ€“] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 51 points 1 year ago (15 children)

This is even worse logically than the premise of the Trolley problem. You're basically reframing a terrorist or criminal holding a gun to a bystander's head and demanding something trying to say it'll be my fault the person dies if I don't give them whatever they ask for.

No. It's got nothing to do with me (or the judge). The criminals threatening violence are the bad people.

The only good "Trolley problem" rewrite I've heard is the crying baby and the hiding refugees. https://www.truthorfiction.com/crying-baby-ethics-question-causes-viral-controversy/

All the others are either too contrived (how did those people get in the trolley tracks? why is there no driver? why am I able to get to the lever or how do I know a fat man will detail the trolley?) Or it's just a terrorist blaming someone else for his actions. The crying baby one challenges me on a very deep level.

[โ€“] livus@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago (9 children)

The crying baby and the hiding refugees in M A S H messed me up as a kid.

[โ€“] charliespider@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (7 children)
[โ€“] Unsustainable 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It was actually a baby. Hawkeye just remembered it as a chicken.

[โ€“] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Oh gee, thanks for ruining mash for me. Now I realize it was a dark tragic drama about using humor to cope with the horrors of war and not just some laugh along sitcom. Real great. Can't believe it.

[โ€“] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 1 year ago

Some people today say mash was pro war white washing it... Having actually watched mash I couldn't disagree more. Mash was deeply antiwar, and pro human .. but you actually have to watch it to know it

[โ€“] Unsustainable 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, I won't tell you that it got cancelled. Oh, crap!

[โ€“] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Cancelled!? Just great!

[โ€“] charliespider@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Yes I know. I was mirroring Hawkeye's delusion to avoid the horrific truth.

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