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People always call Linus Torvalds an asshole, but I've yet to see anything from him that didn't make sense. And the fact that he eventually took community feedback and decided to take time off to deal with his anger issues is commendable.
Linus TT can go and fuck itself though.
He’s definitely a fuck your feelings type. No nonsense and sometimes harsh but like you said it’s almost always justified. I’ll take that over fake ass, greedy LTT Linus “oops I got caught so now I’ll apologize or try to hide it and then apologize” any day of the week.
LTT could have just said fuck you're right my bad, every single time he gets caught fucking up.
Honey: yeah we really wanted to do but that NDA was nasty and have you seen their lawyers, sorry guys We have ousted sponsors before but it just didn't make business sense in this case. 99% would have went "yeah we get you"
Billit labs: We did not mean to fuck these guys over, erm twice. We have (repurchase the prototype off who we sent it to or compensated them for the price of machining a new part too sufficiently high tolerance) and if they provide us with a another piece and exact instructions we'll cover them in a future video gratis.
These things didn't need to turn into PR disasters.
Only an asshole when talking about contributing to Linux from what I've seen
That may be, don't think I've heard him talk about anything else. One of my favorite clips ever is his message to nvidia. Some things are worth being angry about. And because of his angry public reaction, I became aware of nvidia's anti-FOSS efforts. So it's not all bad imo.
You spend all your adult life nurturing a baby like the Linux kernel, a lot of it unpaid, and you'll be a bit touchy about what goes into it too.
True.
Here's a dataset of most of his rants from the LKML along with the "hate" rating of each.
https://github.com/corollari/linusrants?tab=readme-ov-file#linusrants
Telling someone they need to get their act together or you'll ignore their shit is considered more hateful than asking for someone to be retroactively aborted?
Haha I was wondering the same. The hate score does not make sense
He really does have a point here...
Linus is giving away home made guitar pedals to kernel contributors
https://lkml.org/lkml/2025/1/19/281
Nive guy
For an embarrassingly long time I thought they were the same person, and I wondered why anyone would look up to that tool, and call him a genius, when he couldn't even benchmark an HDMI cable correctly (literally the only video of his I watched, and yes, I know that it wouldn't have mattered even if he did do it properly).
Now that I know that its 2 separate assholes, I feel like LTT is even more of a tool who leans into the identity confusion on purpose for more internet clout.
What's wrong with LTT?
He did a video about trying out linux from a novice perspective. It felt pretty disingenuous and likely led many people to conclude they shouldn't even try it for themselves. The part that was most egregious is that he installed steam in a weird way and on that particular OS config there was a warning that said essentially "IF YOU INSTALL THIS YOUR OS WILL PROBABLY BE BRICKED. CONTINUE?" He concluded a regular user wouldn't read that message, which I find not believable. It was a very scary warning. He continued with the install and then acted surprised when the system wouldn't boot anymore afterward, citing it as evidence that linux was not good for the average user. Many pointed out that if he'd installed steam in several other more common ways of doing so, none of that would've happened. I think he was doing it exclusively on cli, which a novice would try to avoid.
Also I saw a couple videos others did showing how LTT had hired someone from a big hardware company (forget which) and around that time started giving better reviews to that company's products and fudging benchmark numbers of competitors to look worse. When others couldn't recreate those benchmark results and released all the data to prove it, he shrugged it off without really admitting wrongdoing at first, vaguely talking about how they'd done their best. That was a pattern of behavior.
Also one of their former employees felt uncomfortable as a woman in their workplace, saying it felt really toxic and bad for mental health. Fuck that guy and that company.
Sources:
https://www.pcgamer.com/the-recent-criticism-of-linus-tech-tips-explained/
https://www.pcgamer.com/linus-tech-tips-temporarily-halts-operations-puts-out-apology-video-linus-made-a-clear-and-egregious-judgment-error/
About the steam Linux thing, He tried to install it the proper way, but that didn’t work, so he had to install it from the terminal, because of a misconfiguration by Pop!_OS it required the desktop environment to be uninstalled to install steam.
What kind of fucked up OS decides that it needs to uninstall the DE to install steam?
Also the warning was buried in a bunch of text, that a novice user can’t understand.
This is 100% on Pop!_OS
All the other stuff is 100%
This particular one is 50/50.
He did halt production.
He hired a CEO to manage him.
They did put policies in place to make sure this didn't happen
That's a reasonable response. Better than I expected honestly.
We'll never know if the investigation was viable. They either buried that stuff so deep it couldn't come back up, or the other employees are okay and maybe she was oversensitive. If he had a decent number of women on his productions, I might even give him the benefit of the doubt. It might be that it's a boys club and they're all used to toxic ribbing. We don't know, we can't trust the investigation as truth.
In a vacuum, each of the individual items is just a red flag. When you put them all together, it does seem to form a pattern.
Yeah, I don't know either. It's always possible that one complainer is the issue, but like you said:
I find it likely that she felt the environment was toxic. I don't think she was lying; she probably knew she'd be making a lot of enemies.
Based on all the constant ribbing between the different teams on the show, I find it likely that there's a lot of masculinity to go around.
When you're running a business, it's important to prevent people from making each other uncomfortable. Everyone you hire has a different tolerance, and it's management's job to ensure that reasonable expectations are met and people feel safe and valued.
Oh boy I've worked with IT professionals like that. Something unexpected happens and they completely fail to read or understand what text they're presented with. This is especially common with those not comfortable in a shell
Sure -- but would they then respond to a prompt reading...
And then typing out that full exact phrase? I might do that, but only expecting/understanding that I may fuck my OS.
A layman would think: I am installing steam, I want to install steam. What do you mean potentially harmful? Steam ain't a virus. I have no clue what pop* is and what it does. -> do as I say.
While the prompt is perfectly adequate for those that are technically experienced enough to recognize it is about to uninstall your desktop environment, that isn't the case for someone who doesn't know what their desktop environment is. Especially since there is an expectation that installing software does not break things (but, because shared libraries are shared more often than not in Linux, it could!)
To be fair, as someone that works in IT....most people would ignore that pop up
It was not a popup. It was a message in a terminal window. Which not only would most users not use, you'd definitely think they would rapid-fire Y when there is scary message in all caps right about the "y/n" prompt.
Edit: it wasn't even pressing Y. To proceed, he had to ignore the warning which was pretty clear, then type out manually "Yes, do as I say!" then press enter. Regular users who aren't total morons asking for trouble wouldn't do that.
I do some game modding, and sometimes have to hack together software to help with it, some of which ends up public.
One of my programs relied on the location of other, existing files and so would poke around at runtime to see where the user had launched it from, alerting the user if it was in a location where it wasn't supported. If that happened, an interactive message box pops up with the title "UNSUPPORTED LOCATION" and text that says, verbatim sans my [notes]:
You can't skip or just "OK" the message to dismiss it, otherwise the program just immediately begins a managed shutdown of itself to prevent any of the aforementioned potential errors from occurring. I STILL had a user message me saying how making them type in "I understand" was a weird thing to make them do in order to use the program. Thankfully I think they've been the only one so far so it's certainly not the norm, but the average computer user is also much less tech-savvy than someone downloading mods for a video game.
One of my favorite sayings at work is “you can’t make people read.” Some workflow has changed, and management wants to alert everyone? They’re very quick to go “oh just post a sign or send a memo.” No, you can’t make people read. People will miss it, even if it’s a gigantic flashing neon sign.
Yeah, I maintain that it's not realistic that a person new to linux would do what he did here. I mean, sure, some people might, but the warning on the screen is really fucking clear it's not a good idea, and it's not the kind of "OK" modal that people are used to safely dismissing without reading.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0506yDSgU7M%3Ft%3D638
Counter point: The removal of your desktop environment should not under any circumstances be within the possibility space of side effects for trying to install a common piece of desktop software, regardless of the warnings provided or confirmations required.
This was an issue with the OS, and the Pop_OS! team fixed it in an update very soon after this. A month earlier or later and Linus would not have encountered it.
There are very few things right.
Worker abuse, sexual harassment, blatant disregard with the truth, stealing review equipment from small companies, returning said equipment damaged when threatened legal action…
The only good thing about it is that they dress their lies in pretty videos.
If you want a tech channel that is actually worth your time, check out Gamers Nexus. I’m not even a gamer but their content drags me in and their commitment to the truth is what all other technical publications should have.
Gamers Nexus I find often dragging on, they can't seem to edit their videos well. The technical details are good and the reviews well done, but the host has such a self-important demeanor it's hard to listen to. The recent shift from tech to drama/attack videos is also disappointing. Hardware unboxed and level1techs is much better in my opinion.
This has all been disproven, GN has a bone to pick with LTT and you're falling into blatant misinformation.
Then help me out by feeding me proper information.
Sure, here's something about the harassment allegations.
Link
Try digging up some information about the rest of your claims on your own before posting about them. And try looking further than a Tech Bro who doesn't follow journalistic practices when it comes to his competition.
So your source to disprove the allegations is… checks notes… another tech bro on YouTube?
Want a Forbes article instead?
My sources for the LTT controversies were never GN. You made the connection yourself.
Whats your source?
News articles back then.
Marvelous.