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Poor guy was probably just trying to sleep without freezing to death and then these assholes show up.

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[–] mke@programming.dev 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wonder how the operator feels.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I was wondering that too. But then, this is the kind of person that's cool with destroying everything people have left at the worst point in their lives so..

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I know. But it's like meter maids. Everyone needs to pay bills. Maybe they salivated at the chance or maybe their life is ruined forever with trauma. The problem is we don't know them at all.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 5 points 10 hours ago

How is this comparable to meter maids in any way. They don't do anything wrong at all.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If he didn't have that job, he'd be on the other end of that bulldozer.

There are secretaries at UHC.

There are janitors at maralago.

These people aren't the problem.

[–] Linktank 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They kind of are a part of the problem though.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They're like the Russian soldiers on the front line, who would be shot if they retreated. Dangerous but involuntary.

[–] Linktank -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Other jobs exist. Nobody is shooting you when you put in your notice, or don't.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

People are not in a position to just walk out of their jobs on the spot. I'm sure the job description didn't say 'run homeless people out of their camps'. But if you're already in a job, then the choice is between doing what you're told and walking out / not being able to feed your family / losing your apartment / becoming homeless.

Desperate people do desperate things, and depending which study you read, over 50% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.

I don't disagree with your feelings. Keep that righteous anger. I've got it too. I'm just saying you need to focus on the affluent who are pushing the desperate to abuse the desolate. They're the problem to solve.

[–] talkingpumpkin@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Come on, they most probably had zero choice in the matter... yes, they could have resigned in protest (and in a sense they should have), but we can't require that people be heroes

[–] Shelbyeileen@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Please, don't say stuff like that... I've worked jobs where I loathed the company values, but I needed income... One charged more for funerals of "brown" people and had a book on the shelf of the manager's office that said "The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS". I'm pansexual and my partner is an immigrant. A job is not a belief. A job is a way to keep a roof over your head until you find a better one

[–] FabledAepitaph@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah, this is exactly why they keep us poor and without security--so we can't act according to our morals. Only theirs.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I had a job like that too. When I realized how unethical the place was, I quit.

[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 1 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Would you have quit if that means you starved? Also your healthcare was immediately ended because it was provided by your job?

What if you had kids? How do you explain to your child you are not eating today because daddy is a moral person?

I see your point, and you did good by quitting, but it is not the people to blame here but the system.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

External circumstances don't turn an immoral action into a moral one. You can never make up for the harms you do in the world. The circumstances you describe sometimes exist but more often than not, there is a choice, but we lack the courage to acknowledge it even exists.

If you became disabled, and suddenly you COULDN'T do the immoral job anymore, well by god, you'd likely find a way to survive. So....

[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 2 points 9 hours ago

Or maybe you will not survive, we can play with woulds and shoulds all day here.

External circumstances don't turn an immoral action into a moral one

That depends on your definition of moral action I guess...

Also we are talking about an accident here, most likely the heavy machine operator doesn't clear homeless shelters every day, but works on a scrapyard or something.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Fair points. Not everyone can upend their life like that. I have certainly suffered greatly for doing what I did. I totally agree that this is a problem with the system.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Everyone can upend their life when they genuinely don't have another choice. People keep doing the thing they know is wrong because they DO have a choice.

[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

Always up, never down, and only sideways on exceptions