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Chinese AI lab DeepSeek massively undercuts OpenAI on pricing — and that's spooking tech stocks
(www.businessinsider.com)
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Not a word on Chinese models being censored in the article. What an odd omission.
It should also be pretty obvious that this is following the usual Chinese MO of using massive state subsidies to destroy the international competition with impossibly low dumping prices. We are seeing this in all sorts of sectors.
Okay... But isn't it also possible that AI is massively overvalued and this is a more reasonable price point for the technology?
Overvalued - as in, less useful than it seems to be - probably, but the costs of running it are immense and they are certainly not that much lower in China (despite low energy prices due to nonexistent environmental standards), given the hardware embargoes they are under, forcing them to use less efficient hardware.
"due to non existent environmental standards" buddy unless your from rural northern Europe or the mountains in the Himalayan wtf are you talking about. Compared to America, china is much much less polluted per person with people personally accounting for less than the average American or westerner.
China has some of the worst polluted cities in the world, far worse than European or American cities. Water quality is abysmal, partly due to extremely inefficient use of fertilizer and pesticides. Products exported from China are commonly exceeding limits on toxic substances. It feels like every other week, there's another food safety scandal. Soil contamination is still worsening, in part due to extremely dirty mining practices. Chinese companies are falsifying records in order to hide excessive emissions from customers.
Meanwhile, environmental activists are routinely being persecuted by the state in order to silence them. That's totally what a country with a great environmental track record would do.
Did you just really send me iqair with such a bold statement without even checking the link itself? DUDE, JERUSALEM AMD SOFIA IN BULGARIA ARE MORE POLLUTED THAN SHANGHAI. For a nation of 1.4x thats seriously impressive. None of their cities crack top 5.
Wisdom is chasing you, but you are faster Barely any of your sources account for recent data, and focuses on the time during the most rapid transformation of a massive civilization in human history
And again, they still per person use significantly lesss co2 than an America, what about that?
Here's a challenge for you: Write something that is actually critical of the Chinese government. Can you do it?
Chinese freedom of opinions and knowledge is some of the worst on the planet and xi jinping is riding off the coattails of Deng Zhao pings success in opening up china. There, now here's another truth bomb, china sucks and treats it's citizens like robots but yet somehow I'd rather trust the historic super power which historically didn't bother nobody outside of it's little sphere unlike the current western superpowers who exploit the entire planet to make that "first world" experience for like 10% of humanity
Look, China isn't the devil or anything, they do lots of things better then the US. They want their "little sphere" to be Earth though. They have been making moves to compete with US influence all over the world for years now, and they're not doing it out of the goodness of their hearts.
Honestly, the more I look into China, the more I realize the worst thing about it is that they're very much like the US, no matter how much both sides would deny it. The US needs to be taken down a peg or two, but replacing it with a different empire isn't the way to go. We need a world without superpowers, not to try and find the "good" one. They'll always go bad once they get to the top. That's just how massive power structures work.