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OpenAI chief executive Sam Altman accused of sexual abuse by sister in lawsuit (www.theguardian.com)

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[–] lewdian69@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

All systems so far for the entirety of human history have rewarded psychopaths and rapists as far as I can tell.

[–] MrsDoyle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Agreed, sadly. I mean look at Moses. Seriously, read the chapters about him going up the mountain, coming back with the big list of rules, then ordering the killing thousands of the people who'd followed him into the desert, because they didn't obey the rules while he was away getting the big list of rules. Psycho.

Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’ ” The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died.

[–] snek_boi@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

It sounds like you're really pessimistic regarding humans and their systems.

Are you in a friend group that rewards psychopaths and rapists? Have you entered relationships where psychopaths and rapists have been rewarded? If so, do you know about scaled evolutionary approaches, and how it's a good idea to join groups where your own incentives are aligned with that of the group? Do you know about the Duluth Model and CBT's 5% reduction in recidivism of abuse, as well as ACT's 30 to 70% reductions in recidivism of abuse (depending on whether people join voluntarily or not)?

Those systems (the Duluth Model, CBT, and especially ACT) are not rewarding psychopaths. They are transforming people into reflexive and non-abusive people.

Sources:

(sorry for the paywall; many academics are happy to send you a free copy if you contact them).

[–] lewdian69@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Hmm I am thinking of the larger systems of governance. Genghis Kahn, any of the European monarchies, Hitler, slavery, Trump, David Koresh, Catholic priest scandals, CEOs existence... The history of human nature is that the ruthless psychopaths succeed.

I am doing fine on a local level, thank you for your concern. Sign waving, coaching sports, UU congregation etc. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy is excellent and I've used it personally in the past. The models you mentioned absolutely help individuals, what does that have to do with who succeeds in business and government? Are we going to get Trump or any Republicans, or any Democrats for that matter, to use these methods? Even the model socialist democracies currently in Europe are a small recent example, and are currently trying their hardest to devolve into right wing capitalism.

So yeah, I'm super pessimistic. Also guilty that I know I'll probably be fine. That's where I actually struggle.