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Thoughts on Trump apologia emanating from Hexbear (ponder.cat)

submitted 4 days ago by PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat to c/meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works

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I've come to two realizations recently:

One

The sudden tankie willingness to believe that Trump cares about a cease-fire in Gaza, and got tough with the Israelis and then they capitulated which Biden could have done at any time, sheds some interesting light on how the tankies think. They accuse anyone who disagrees with them of shifting their realities around, such that anything Biden does is good, anything the State Department says is always true, even if it contradicts itself or basic common sense or reality. I always thought that this was just a lazy reality-free arguing tactic, but in retrospect, I should have realized that it's a tell about their own thought process. Just like it's a warning sign if someone constantly suspects their partner of cheating, or is constantly on an absurdly hypervigilant lookout for scams and people trying to cheat them out of money, this is a key revelation about the way Hexbear itself looks at reality.

Trump is a capable diplomat, if believing that lets them trash Biden. Trump cares about Palestinians, if believing that lets them trash Biden. The cart is firmly in its place in front, and everything else including the horse can follow along depending on what the cart dictates.

Two

Hexbear's censorship, and wild hostility to anyone who comes to "their" place and tries not to toe the party line, really does do a pretty effective job of distorting the view of reality and consensus that their users are able to experience.

Take a look at these and compare:

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/36382877

https://hexbear.net/post/4354590

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Then inform me, what country is properly communist? It seems fascism and communism are not that far apart. They both involve the government seizing control of assets. The USSR was communist even if it doesn't mean your definition.

[–] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

Communism and Fascism are poles apart… like literally diametric opposites.

Authoritarianism can turn up on either side, although it’s worth noting that Fascism cries out for the “big strong leader” type ~~oppressor~~ saviour.

The Communist Manifesto suggests there have never been any real communist countries. Communism, it proposes, comes after capitalism - according to dialectic theory. Most/all countries that are/were called communist went there straight from agrarianism.

If you want to know how AES (actually existing socialism) countries view this then I suggest you ask one of the theory reading brothers and sisters around here to explain - I’m not really into politics and political theory.