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[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

At this point, I can't see how this war can end on western terms politically. There's just too much invested into it at this point to just stop.

[–] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bourgeoisie betrayal, as usual

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Can't rule that out, but we'll see what happens. Seems that with Russia having managed to realign trade to the east, and the west going into a recession even the bourgeoisie won't have much to gain by looking to the west now.

[–] Galli@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Saber rattling about China will be reemphasized while this piece will be the first in establishing the new narrative that the liberal consensus was always primarily interested in a negotiated peace with Russia and never thought a total Ukrainian victory was possible.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Sure, but ultimately it's up to Russia to decide whether they stop the war or not. And it has been a theme now that libs make all these hare brained schemes simply assuming that Russia is going to agree to them, then act shocked when Russia doesn't.