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In many ways, Mastodon feels like rewinding the clock on social media back to the early days of Twitter and Facebook. On the consume side, that means that your home feed has no algorithm (this can be disorienting at first).

Practically, it means that you see only what you want to see and only see it linearly. You never wonder “why am I seeing this and how do I make it go away?”. Content can only enter your home feed via your followed tags or handles and the feed is linear like the early days of social media.

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[–] The_Tribble_Juggler@kbin.social 140 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Mastodon is cool, and I'd use it more if I could get used to the format. The Lemmy/Reddit forum style is my preference.

[–] penguin@sh.itjust.works 40 points 11 months ago (7 children)

I just don't understand how people find accounts they like to follow.

[–] Domille@sh.itjust.works 40 points 11 months ago (2 children)

just follow hashtags you like, that way you'll see people who post about interesting stuff.

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

Same as really old old Twitter.

[–] skybox@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's the main reason why I'm half and half on mastodon (besides the terrible user search and onboarding). I believe the way hashtags are implemented in microblogging services is so inorganic, and I prefer having a little help finding cool posts and people through some kinda filter. Bluesky has been a better experience in those aspects for me so far.

[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

They do have a "for you" on the Mastodon app where they recommend people you might like BUT it's hard to find and they don't have the option to follow general hashtags like, "sportsnews" or something like that. Tusky is FOSS and does have the general hashtag follow but no "for you" section. Early stages and all.

[–] Eccitaze@yiffit.net 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

First, it's important to find an instance that caters to your interests, especially if you have more niche hobbies. Once you're set up, search for and follow hashtags related to your personal interests, and use those to find accounts you like. Use hashtags in your own posts so that people can discover you more easily, and browse users that follow you to see if they'd be interesting to follow back and expand your network out. Keep an eye on the local and federated timeline for interesting posts, which includes all posts from people on the same instance and from all federated instances. Eventually, as you build up a follow list (and especially as you follow highly active accounts) your followed accounts will start introducing you to new accounts themselves through boosting posts.

It's more work since you're building the network yourself instead of having it spoon-fed to you by an algorithm, but it's overall much more rewarding, and lets you tailor your experience to your own personal preferences.

[–] Bebo@sffa.community 6 points 11 months ago

I started by just following a bunch of hashtags and my feed was already quite interesting. Over the next few days I started following a few people who seemed to consistently post content that I found interesting.

[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I have the same issue on Lemmy, but at least there's All. I can't figure out where "All" is on Mastodon.

[–] russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The equivalent to All would be the federated timeline, some apps don't show it though, and some may call it something else.

[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I guess the official "Mastodon" app doesn't show it, then. I'll look at the other options.

[–] russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net 2 points 11 months ago

If you're on Android, I'm a big fan of Moshidon!

[–] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

how people find accounts they like to follow.

The low-hanging fruit is sometimes checking out posters that show up in your feed because someone you do follow boosted their post. This sort of amounts to having the people you follow nominate people for you to also follow.

(fwiw, boosting a post just shares it to your followers, liking it just notifies the poster that you liked it)

[–] thal3s@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
[–] notatoad@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Mastodon is a good reminder of why algorithmic feeds exist

The option for a chronological feed is nice, but without an algorithm filling in the gaps it’s really hard to get started on there

[–] iByteABit@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Meh, I'm sick of all the algorithmic crap. The internet used to be better when people needed a couple brain cells to use them.

[–] notatoad@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

"content recommendation is only for stupid people" is a brand new form of gatekeeping that i haven't heard before!

[–] iByteABit@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

What I'm actually saying is, that user experience is obviously harder without the algorithms, but algorithms (ML ones) are what brought the internet to this state. So I'd rather live without them wherever that's viable.

[–] lorax@lemmy.ca 14 points 11 months ago

I prefer pull vs push media. Less intrusive. I have a feeling lemmy users may also like RSS feeds for the control it provides. I know in mastodon you decide who to follow, but the whole culture to encourage re-blogging means a lot of potential unwanted crap in our feeds.

[–] Izzy@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I completely agree. I like the concept of Mastodon and like that it exists, but I just can't get into the idea of following individual or organizations rather than topics. Thankfully Lemmy is a thing.

[–] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

FWIW you can follow hashtags in mastadon If you know where to look you can see trending hashtags In other fedi clients (particularly firefish) you can configure antennae and channels to give you the ability to have pre-set feed filters and focuses (e.g. search by hashtag, keyword/subject, etc) You can also curate lists (can include people you don't follow if you don't want) in case you want to look at what the law or history or cycling people on fedi are talking about just now. Often when I want to change subject I'll check to see what #lawFedi or #histodon or #biketooter have to offer today

If that sounds a bit like rolling your own algorithms, that's probably because it sort of is

[–] Izzy@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It sounds worth trying if people are good at tagging. I might have to try again.

[–] BillDoor@feddit.uk 8 points 11 months ago

I have the same problem as you with mastodon, I'm interested in topics not in people so the format just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

I've had very limited success with following hashtags, it sounds like a neat idea, but I've not found enough hashtags that I'm interested in with enough activity to make it worthwhile.

The nature of it also makes it more superficial - it's short comments and posts on a topic rather than more in depth discussion.

In the end, I think mastodon is a really neat replacement for twitter - but I never had a twitter account for a reason, and those reasons are still there with mastodon, for me at least.

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Agreed. I love decentralized social media, but I never liked Twitter and never really could adjust to Mastodon either.