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If we could get enough people to stop eating animal products at the same time, it would simultaneously lower their personal risks of infection, the risks of another pandemic, and it could hit the animal ag industries hard - who are some of the largest funders of the gop.
The worst thing the left could do is go after people’s meat.
Set environmental targets and cruelty laws, but get out of here with associating the left with veganism.
Really? Cause if nothing else, every dollar you spend on animal products may as well be a direct donation to the republican party. And environmental targets? Good luck with that if you support meat and dairy.
Sorry, but animal consumption and commodification is so thoroughly embedded in the conservative identity, that if you're going to be anti-vegan, you may as well start wearing this shirt.
Lol, I'll add that to my list of things I need to be on the "left."
How you going to lead the revolution without guns and protein? Fuck workers interests and owning the means of production, we should be concerned about their diets!
Capitalists will sell you meat if you want meat and vegetables if you want vegetables, one is certainly more green, but not more left.
It sounds like you can't really imagine a world where there exists more than two kinds of people. Also saying you can't get protein on plants in 2025? Maybe before wasting your time on pointless debates, you should spend even a modicum of time getting basic facts right.
I mean you’re the one who can’t imagine a person on the left not being vegan. Who can’t imagine more than two kinds of people in this conversation? Are you going to form a workers movement with those very same working conservatives you are upset with by telling them about how their cooperation in a union benefits themselves and everyone, or about a moral crusade about the animals?
Like sure we gotta cut down on animal products for environmental reasons, but that’s not veganism, that’s practical environmentalism. There’s no moral argument there. But to be frank, I and most other people do not care at all about the morality of eating animals, and will not be convinced to care, ever. An economy without animal products is not something most people ever aspire to obtain.
Ironic, considering that moral crusade for animals entails lifestyle changes that are one of the most beneficial things a person can do for them self, as well as others, other animals, and the planet.
lol that’s what they have always said https://youtu.be/0ens0WjAyOc
Do you actually have anything relevant and constructive to say?
That the worst thing the left could do for itself, for its standing in the American population, especially in the present era, is to ridiculously focus on a moral crusade against meat. It’s another culture war topic that divides the working class.
People will stop eating meat when they can’t get it anymore, in which case nothing could lead to revolution faster, or when it grows in vats, no other reason.
It kind of just sounds like you, personally, don't care about anything but yourself. Strawmanning animal rights as a "culture war" topic, when my point in this particular thread had nothing to do with animal rights. Am I an animal rights supporter, and willing to argue that everyone needs to stop being abusive and cruel to animals? Yes, but that's not what this thread is about right now.
This was strictly about how the ceasing of consumption of animal products is one of the best things a person can do to protect them self from the next impending pandemic, and how doing so en mass would have the side benefit of being a blow to the republican party.
All you're doing is trolling someone who is just sharing info that might be lifesaving.
In the last pandemic, we couldn't get people to wear a mask sometimes without them losing their shit.
Should we have all stopped wearing masks because some people refused to? Should we all be anti-vacc because some people are?
If you're so constantly focused on your perceived enemies that you fill your time and mental energy with trying to tear them down, then yeah, you're going to lose sight of what you're reaching for in the first place. Change yourself first, and as you live by your own word, your example in and of itself has at least some automatic impact on changing others - even if those changes are gradual and take time.
Don't lose sight of the fact that even a single person changing their diet will have less risk of death because of that.
I’ve been doing my part of drinking stuff with oat milk and eating a plant based diet
I love the enthusiasm but the movement would immediately be labelled as woke and a lot of people would start eating more animals just to “own the libs”
Nah, we just need to lean into their toxic male fragility. Remind them it's super gay to have some animal's meat in their mouth. So juicy it slides right down your throat. Yeah, you enjoy that beef on your tongue, you slut?
If we really pushed that message, Joe Rogan would be vegan within a week.
The people who would do that would be putting themselves at greater risk when the next pandemic does break out. That's their problem - especially if they've been informed on everything they can do to help and protect themselves.
Unfortunately, with how pandemics work, it would be everyone's problem.
It already is, and they're already speedrunning us into the next one. All the more reason to focus on protecting who we can, and who is willing to not be an active harm.