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[-] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 36 points 10 months ago

Okay but people shouldn't take you seriously on cake if your argument is "Hitler agrees with my take on cake"

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

How about me agreeing with Hitler on "Poland didn't attack Germany"?

[-] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 32 points 10 months ago
[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yes. You're getting close.

Now if Hitler, or one of his generals, said that the Poles didn't attack after all, what would you think of that? Might you take it as an admission that the Nazis had lied?

[-] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I concede that, if we live in your counterfactual reality where Hitler did the exact opposite of what he actually did, you'd have a point.

I know what you're trying to say but i think you're trying to stretch reality to fit your comparison instead of trying to make an accurate comparison around reality.

Maybe you should look for other real world examples that would fit your comparison better. I bet there are plenty of examples of nazis in nations fighting the nazis doing genocide denial during ww2 that you could find.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

I mean I kinda thought of Hitler and him being a cake-eating vegetarian and then had to improvise afterwards. I did try to pedal back a bit and say "or one of his generals".

Oh and it wasn't just Nazis who denied the holocaust back then. There was an IIRC French historian I can't recall the name who went in there not believing such a thing possible, then saw concentration camps with his own eyes, and went on to compile a minimum number, with the intent that if you say a lower one, you're definitely denying because the number is unassailable, as a minimum (but probably higher. Most definitely probably higher, in fact). Threw out e.g. SS reports because they could be claimed to be fabricated to get a promotion and shit.

[-] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah, it's fucked up.

Also, thanks for engaging in good faith.

Well in this case it's more like even Hitler said "the jews weren't so bad at all"

[-] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 24 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Wouldn't it more be equivalent to Henry Ford or Hearst press during ww2 claiming that the nazis weren't brutalizing black and Jewish soldiers?

Nazi public figure claims nazis in enemy country aren't doing bad thing.

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