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[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Drag read the book cover to cover and didn't see anything about the revolutionaries being the same people as the fascists, apart from that one sentence. If you say there's proof in the book, prove it. Drag read it and couldn't find any. Drag is starting to think you're the one who didn't read it.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

"The" book? I linked several. drag is trying to draw a hard demarcation within a group that worked together, I already shared them with drag. Doing a "they weren't Nazis, they just sided with the Nazis against the Socialists" bit to defend pro-fascist, anti-communist murderers is dishonest.

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Drag read the book, and they didn't side with the fascists at all. Read the book, please.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Englighten me, drag. What did the counter-revolutionaries spend their time doing when they weren't working with the Nazis against the Socialists?

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe you could read the book and find out

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe drag could stop defending Nazi sympathizers that lynched Communists and Jewish people as "revolutionaries." If the Soviets gave power to the Nazi sympathizers, the pograms would have continued. Seems the origin of the Nazi problem was the Nazis, and not the anti-fascist Red Army.

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

How come you think communists are Nazis?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I think lynching the Communist, Soviet officials and Jewish people is a pretty Nazi thing to do, especially coming from people that sided with the Nazis in World War II and were being made to pay reparations for doing so. drag has no coherent ideology other than getting upset at Communists to the point of defending Nazis.

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

So you're a McCarthyist? You hate communism?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Not sure how that connects, I support AES and I'm a Marxist-Leninist, the target of McCarthyism. drag calling people lynching the Soviets as "Communists" is very silly, the Communists and peasants in Hungary opposed the Nazis who were lynching Communists and Jewish people.

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Very silly to call a publicly owned and planned economy where the Working Class was in power "neoliberal." Words have meaning because people need to communicate, just calling everything random names doesn't help that.

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

It wasn't publicly owned. That requires democracy. The people didn't own the government, and the government owned the means of production, so the people didn't own them. The government was a private entity.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago
  1. The Soviet Union was democratic. They had a structure called Soviet Democracy, elaborated on in Soviet Democracy, written by Pat Sloan. It looked like this in practice:

  1. The people participated in and owned the government.

  2. The government was not a "private entity," that's deeply silly.

Even if all of what drag said was true, it still would not be neoliberal, itself an ideology surrounding privatization and international Capitalism. drag has been explained all of this before, though, drag is just a Nazi-defending troll, so drag doesn't actually care.