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I got a tough one for you. Are dialectics eternal? (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml to c/philosophy@lemmygrad.ml

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Rephrased, will dialectics always exist?

Have fun, because I sure don't.

edit: if it helps your thinking process a bit, consider this:

Dialectics explains the process of contradictions. So, does dialectics go through its own contradictions?
If so, that means dialectics has a process of its own and describes its own process as well. It's a bit like the "does a set of all sets contain itself" question.
But if the laws of dialectics are eternal and dialectics does not go through its own process and contradictions, then it would be eternal. Is that possible though?
And finally of course what are the implications of all of that?

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[–] cimbazarov@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't really have a well fleshed out idea to add, but you made me see a parallel of applying dialectics to itself and Godel's incompleteness theorem. Though I'm not sure if Godel's theorem applies as it is for axiomatic systems, which I'm not sure if dialectics is one?

It does make me think though, what is the natural outcome of applying dialectics to itself and does it result in some paradox?

[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 week ago

It’s not a unified system that follows a set of logical postulates dogmatically according to certain rules. That sort of thinking always results in intractable paradoxes, while dialectics is the study of paradoxes. We see that we can describe reality through paradoxes and learn from experience to predict what will happen better and better, but it’s not concrete and ultimately we will see and study what happens in reality beyond our assumptions. We acknowledge that we ourselves are a constantly moving part of a system with factors no less than the sum totality of all that has happened in the universe.