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[–] kava@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gonna need to start painting strange patterns onto your clothes so the drones can't recognize you as human. Something like this

At the end of the day these are machine learning models so if you can trick it into thinking you're a tree or a wild animal it would presumably ignore you.

And the way AIs work it's possible to make it think you're a zebra by having zebra stripes on your clothing for example.

[–] Marsupial@quokk.au 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Until they start packing thermal sensors or lidar and train it recognise those inputs as well.

[–] kava@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Yeah presumably in a military setting it would have these things. But there are ways to mess with infrared and lidar.

For example by using lasers (lidar is essentially just laser radar) pointed at the lidar sensor, you can mess with the sensors see here

and for example using a space blanket blocks infrared.

i think this is going to become sort of like cops and robbers. one side comes up with something and the other comes up with a counter and it keeps advancing forward. an eternal arms race

for whatever system exists, there is a way to break it. guerilla warfare will still be possible, although it will have to start using advanced technologies to beat the advanced technologies

[–] Harrison@ttrpg.network 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The more sophisticated the system, the more sophisticated your method must be to break it. Eventually the means to break it will grow out of the reach of guerilla movements

[–] kava@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

i'm not sure. maybe you're right but there are a lot of dedicated hackers out there who do some amazing things and bypass very complex security systems.

the person creating a system needs to be correct 100% of the time - the person trying to break it just needs to be correct once. there's an infinite multitude of things that can go wrong with something and any one of those is an opening to somebody perceptive enough.

and remember advance of technology goes both ways. military gets access to advanced AI, so do their enemies. it's a game of cat and mouse we've been playing for a long time

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[–] chillhelm@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also: Hello Officer. No I wear these zebra stripes on my clothing and the googly eyes on the back of my hat for religious reasons, not to confuse your drone swarm. What do you mean I'm under arrest?

[–] kava@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

we are talking about guerilla warfare so I imagine something like a group of rebels hiding in a cave on the outskirts of a town or city and using these AI camouflages to travel through the forest without getting spotted by patrolling drones

obviously if we advance to such a robust surveillance state the act of using this type of camouflage will become illegal very quickly and you couldn't just walk around the city in open with it