It’s absolutely not 0, people constantly try non violent means of renegotiating social relations and get nowhere, in fact they usually get executed for the trouble.

Imprisonment and confiscations is definitionally violent; I'm not advocating for a non-violent solution to a problem which is perpetuated by violence.

Remember that I'm not talking about peaceful protests. I'm talking about isolating the parasites, trying to turn them into humans and giving them a second chance if we're reasonably certain they're not a threat anymore.

Revolutions have left people alive and they consistently side with counterrevolutionary forces and violently crush anyone attempting to improve equality.

Prisons are places where people are placed to stop them from causing further harm. Hard to help reactionary forces when you're isolated from society.

The hope is that during that isolation it's possible to change their ways.

As far as I can tell, this has never been tried by anyone.

I mean french revolution says hello? The worst that can happen is they scuttle off, rouse reactionary forces, and violently oppress billions again. Which they have consistently done no matter how attractive the proposed alternatives have been.

The french revolution was orchestrated by the bourgeoisie. The then-billionaires never "scuttled off", they were literally half the Assembly. And that revolution also executed most of the old elites, the old order never really came back but was replaced with an imperialist order practically brought about by the Assembly/Convention themselves, so I'm not sure what point you're making here.

Also people who aren’t vegan and have encountered the idea also suck, so that isn’t exactly making your point.

This is like a good 80% of the population nowadays. Do we execute all of them? No, we try to make them understand the consequences of their lifestyle, and teach them empathy for all living things. That's my point.

[–] NaevaTheRat@vegantheoryclub.org 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Non vegans at least have the excuse of being deeply indoctrinated, and having 90+ percent of people reenforcing and defending their behaviour. The ultra rich dont.

Was talking about the Paris commune in particular, the national assembly is an example of where rich people fall. Rather than share bread they'll install fascist military dictatorships.

Keeping people in a cage is crueler and riskier than just killing them. If anyone voluntarily gives up their wealth and power I'm all for forgiveness, I've never seen it happen but even serial killers have voluntarily turned themselves in and sought help.

I don't think you quite grasp just how far gone the rich are.

[–] balsoft@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

Non vegans at least have the excuse of being deeply indoctrinated, and having 90+ percent of people reenforcing and defending their behaviour. The ultra rich dont.

In a way, they have been indoctrinated by capitalism, and are reinforcing that indoctrination by being the capitalists. I can totally believe that most rich people consider themselves "good people" because they have "succeeded" in the capitalist system.

Keeping people in a cage is crueler and riskier than just killing them.

That's debatable by itself. But I'm not talking about keeping people in a cage. I'm talking about trying to forcefully re-educate them and re-integrate them into the society. If they refuse or fail then that's on them. Even keeping someone in (a humane) prison for life is still less cruel then murdering them IMHO. This is demonstrated by the fact that most death row inmates fight their conviction up until the last moment, even though their living conditions there are awful. People who volunteer to be killed usually have severe mental issues, thus it's closer to suicide then an informed decision.

I don’t think you quite grasp just how far gone the rich are.

As I've said, I've met and talked with one of them. They're not all innately awful evil people (I don't think there are any people who are born evil), merely shaped to be such by their situation. And therefore, a lot of them could be turned into productive members of society with enough re-education, therapy, and honest work.