Interesting that in the title, stated in absolute terms in the text, and from the designers they interviewed, they cite getting lost as crucial for the genre. Personally, I disagree. Getting lost has tended to be why I didn't care for certain games in this genre, like Axiom Verge, and it soured my otherwise higher opinion of games like Hollow Knight and Symphony of the Night. Still, I think this is a good exploration of the genre and what makes it tick.

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[–] isyasad@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I'm never sure where to draw the line with metroidvanias. Does Dark Souls count as metroidvania? or Link's Awakening? Cave Story?

[–] VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago

I count Dark Souls as a Metroidvania in my head, honestly.

But I think the actual defining feature is unlocking new abilities to reach new locations.

DS1 has you unlocking new areas that are interconnected with ones previously explored, but you don't really unlock new moves to get to a new place, it usually just happens after you beat a boss or buy an item.

[–] rbits@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah a lot of people seem to draw a line between Metroidvanias and classic Zelda games/Zelda-likes. I don't really know what the distinction is.

[–] Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

The line I personally draw between Metroidvania and Zelda like is the ability to sequence break without glitches and a focus on platforming as the core of movement.

[–] Slaxis@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 days ago

It’s a good point, they all have item or ability gated progression with backtracking and alternate routes. The more I think about the question, the less of an answer I have…

[–] missingno@fedia.io 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I would argue that 2D platformer should be part of the definition.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Then you'd be excluding the Metroid Prime games from the genre, which doesn't make a lot of sense.