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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/26226188

cross-posted from: https://lemy.lol/post/39626252

We have to agree where we ARE before we stand a chance to agree about what we do from here.

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[–] Glytch@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Trump openly stated he would do what he's doing now. His campaign published project 2025. It wasn't a conspiracy. They did it out in the open while crowing about doing it. There's really no excuse for not listening when he told you his plans.

You either made a mistake because you were purposely uninformed or you agreed with what he wanted to do until it started affecting you. Either way you were wrong and need to accept and admit that before serious work can be done. Otherwise it'll just happen again when the next demagogue rears their ugly head.

[–] Bacano@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Working class is working class, red or blue.

Dem leadership is as pro-corporate as the current admin.

Don't underestimate the effect that propeganda ran by our very own government has on its citizenry.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago

Working class is working class, red or blue.

Yes. And one side votes in favor of the working class while the other does not.

Dem leadership is as pro-corporate as the current admin.

Then why do we see more tax breaks for the wealthy under Republican leadership than Democrat leadership? Why do we see more corporate regulations under Democrat leadership and less under Republican leadership? Your statement is false.

[–] Glytch@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago

Working class is working class, red or blue.

True but not relevant to what I said. Everyone of us needs to learn from our mistakes, but in order to do that we have to admit we made them.

Dem leadership is as pro-corporate as the current admin.

False, I doubt the Dems would have dismantled the government at the behest of the world's richest man (along with giving him access to all of our tax and social security records) and also not relevant to what I said.

Don't underestimate the effect that propeganda[sic] ran by our very own government has on its citizenry.

Accurate, America is one of the most heavily propagandized populations in history, but not relevant because all they had to do was listen to the words of Trump's actual campaign speeches or read his actual campaign literature to know what he was planning to do. He didn't hide his intentions, people just thought he wasn't serious about them.