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Something that I realized about the fediverse is that you seem to be able to criticize the USA as a whole, but if you criticize the Democrats you get downvoted. Democrats suck they are not sacred cows (lemmy.ml)

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[–] ubergeek 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Let's be real: just maybe domestically.

On foreign policy, the only thing that changes are which imperialists will we be allies with. The death tolls don't change much, just sometimes the location.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

i think domestically, internationally in general, and possibly in gaza tbh:

gaza: trump has said directly that he wants to level gaza and take it over for the US; the democrats at least paid vague lip service to “red lines” and shit - i don’t know what was happening behind the scenes; it didn’t seem like much, but we can never know how much worse it could have been without that. i feel like trump is definitely worse for the palestinians, based solely on his rhetoric

internationally: people will die in ukraine; perhaps a lot of people, and who knows whether the conflict will escalate further from here given the fragmentation trump has and will cause

domestically: yeah i don’t think i even need to go there

however you slice it, trump is going to cause significantly more deaths… im not okay with “supporting genocide”; it makes me absolutely livid that no matter what happens genocide will be the outcome… but not making a choice definitively causes more loss of life

i understand for sure the argument that if you vote for democrats anyway, where’s the line? when do you punish them so that they learn? it’s frustrating as fuck for sure… and that’s a valid argument, but in that case you’re still making a choice: you’re sacrificing all those lives over the next 4 years to maybe teach them a lesson (that they didn’t learn last time with hillary)

granted, i’m not a US citizen so my “support” is limited to trying to convince people on the internet to not fuck over the world

[–] ubergeek 1 points 3 hours ago

gaza: trump has said directly that he wants to level gaza and take it over for the US;

Biden was leveling Gaza, and Harris said she'd keep giving Israel free reign to engage in a genocide.

internationally: people will die in ukraine; perhaps a lot of people, and who knows whether the conflict will escalate further from here given the fragmentation trump has and will cause

That was going to happen, sooner, or later. It was going to escalate, because the aggressor was given very little reason to NOT escalate it.

however you slice it, trump is going to cause significantly more deaths…

Honestly, the raw numbers will likely be about the same. The difference is where. Right now, it looks like "mostly in the US".

i understand for sure the argument that if you vote for democrats anyway, where’s the line? when do you punish them so that they learn?

And this is why you never support things like genocide, or stripping people of their rights. Not just when it's the other party doing it.

granted, i’m not a US citizen so my “support” is limited to trying to convince people on the internet to not fuck over the world

Its a great lesson for other countries to not rely on the US, a fascist state,.